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Who Should Go to the Baseball Hall of Fame?
7/9/2007 | Our Man in Washington

Posted on 07/09/2007 8:28:47 PM PDT by Our man in washington

Conservatives are logical people who use data. I thought the sports fans among us could use data and general impressions to answer the following question: which active-duty players should go to the Baseball Hall of Fame? It's a good subject for argument so that we can sharpen our wits when we debate more substantial matters.

I'm ignoring the steroid issue in my opinions. I'm going on data here, but others can give their views on how steroids should affect the voting.

I'll start with my opinion so you can tell me where I'm wrong. Based on statistics alone, the following hitters should go to the hall of fame if they retired today: Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Frank Thomas, Ken Griffey, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza, Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome, Ivan Rodriguez, and Omar Visquel.

The following hitters are "on the bubble." and need a few more good seasons to be locks for the Hall of fame: Chipper Jones, Derek Jeter, Vladimir Guerrero, Jason Giambi, Carlos Delgado and Jim Edmonds.

One could make a case for two others. In Todd Helton's case, how much is he helped by playing in Colorado? In Ichiro Suzuki's case, should we count the awesome numbers he put up in Japan count toward his Hall of Fame qualifications?

In the honorable mention category, Bobby Abreu is making a stealth run at the Hall of Fame.

For pitchers, all of the following should go in if they retire today: Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine, Trevor Hoffman, and Mariano Rivera.

The pitchers who are "on the bubble" are Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, and Kevin Brown.


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http://www.baseball-reference.com has all the numbers, so we can discuss based on facts here.

If anyone wants to add discussion of recently retired players who deserve the Hall of Fame, old-timers who are neglected, or undeserving players who got in, feel free. The active-duty rosters was enough research for me.

1 posted on 07/09/2007 8:28:49 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Our man in washington

Bobby Ayala. Mariners fans will know who I mean...


2 posted on 07/09/2007 8:30:03 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Hmm... I don’t see Pete Rose being considered. Nothing to see here move along.


3 posted on 07/09/2007 8:32:10 PM PDT by Sir Hailstone (I'm a "Dollar-a-day" Free Republic member. Are you? [http://digitalfarmers.blogspot.com])
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Can managers go?

My vote is for Jim Leyland simply because he’s had an amazing career. He’s beloved by fans where ever he goes and look what he’s done with the Tigers in 2 seasons.


4 posted on 07/09/2007 8:35:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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I’m a huge baseball fan (Dodgers), but I’ve never cared one way or the other about who makes it to the HoF. In fact, I wouldn't’t even cross the street to visit the hall.

I guess it’s the game I love, not memorabilia.

Just my 2 cents.

5 posted on 07/09/2007 8:38:53 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Our man in washington

Jeter is a lock.


6 posted on 07/09/2007 8:40:13 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Our man in washington
Based on statistics alone. . .

I agree. It should be on statistics alone unless there is some extremely rare occurrance that might find someone deserving to be enshrined for other reasons. It is a hall of FAME. Period. Rose should be in and Bonds should be in. To have kids go to the hall and not even hear that Rose or perrhaps Bonds ever existed would be, and is, is a greater crime than anything they may have done. /rant

7 posted on 07/09/2007 8:43:08 PM PDT by ZGuy (Democrats : Corrupt or deceived. There are no other options.)
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To: cripplecreek

Managers can go.

Leyland’s problem is that he’s lost more games than he’s won in his career. On the other hand, that’s partly because Florida purged the roster after he won the World Series. And Leyland has won manager of the year three times.

I’d say he’s on the bubble.


8 posted on 07/09/2007 8:53:23 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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Jeter is a lock.

I'm not sure I agree. Here are his numbers: http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jeterde01.shtml

Dwight Evans had about 200 more hits than Jeter has right now, and about twice as many home runs. Evans was also the best glove man in right field of his generation. Evans is not in the Hall of Fame. Based on current numbers, I wouldn't say Jeter has had a better career than Evans--yet.

In all probability, Jeter will surpass Evans by a considerable amount and go to the Hall easily. I'm just saying Jeter isn't quite a lock yet.

9 posted on 07/09/2007 9:01:57 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Billthedrill

Nooooooooooooooo. Not Ayi, ayi, ayi Ayala!


10 posted on 07/09/2007 9:11:11 PM PDT by irishtenor (There is no "I" in team, but there are two in IDIOT.)
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Ah, yes, those were the good old days. You just knew a three-run lead wasn’t enough when Bobby took the mound...


11 posted on 07/09/2007 9:31:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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In the honorable mention category, Bobby Abreu is making a stealth run at the Hall of Fame.

Not even close. A .300 hitter who'll probably be around .290 when his career is through, and he only has 210 HRs in 12 seasons. Very average. Plus he can't field worth a lick.

12 posted on 07/09/2007 9:39:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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Managers do get selected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Tommy Lasorda is in. There are undoubtable more.


13 posted on 07/09/2007 9:41:01 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Our man in washington
Jeter is a .318 lifetime hitter; Evans was a .272 hitter.

Jeter wlll get to 3500 hits easily if he stays healthy, and may even make a run at Rose.

14 posted on 07/09/2007 9:44:10 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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:>)

Wasn’t he Pinella’s son-in-law or something?


15 posted on 07/09/2007 9:44:47 PM PDT by irishtenor (There is no "I" in team, but there are two in IDIOT.)
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To: Our man in washington

Steve. Bartman.


16 posted on 07/09/2007 9:49:15 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Our man in washington

John Smoltz is definitely HOF bound, not on the bubble.


17 posted on 07/09/2007 9:52:43 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Our man in washington

I’m not so sure about Sosa to be perfectly honest.

I would tend to agree about Omar Vizquel as well, now that I’ve gotten the chance to see him play with my team (the Giants) at the twilight of his career.


18 posted on 07/09/2007 9:54:18 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the FR Idaho Ping List.)
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To: cripplecreek

Bobby Cox and Joe Torre also.


19 posted on 07/09/2007 9:55:05 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Mr. Mojo

Not to mention the leadership presence that Jeter adds to club and he is a great clutch hitter and play maker in big games.


20 posted on 07/09/2007 9:58:24 PM PDT by upsdriver
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