Posted on 06/15/2007 6:41:38 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
Four teenagers were killed early Thursday morning when the stolen SUV they were in and a train collided.
It happened in Baytown at Archer Road and Fleming around 3:30 a.m.
According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, six teenagers were in the stolen Jeep when the driver apparently did not see a Union Pacific train that had apparently been stalled on the tracks for some time. The SUV slammed into the tanker car at a high rate of speed and went under it into a ditch.
Four people in the backseat, three girls and one boy ages 12 to 15, died at the scene.
Two teenage boys, ages 17 and 15, were taken to Memorial Hermann Hospital by Life Flight. They were the driver and the front-seat passenger.
Union Pacific said the SUV may have hit the train, gone underneath it and slid into a ditch.
There are no streetlights or lights that indicate that there is a train crossing.
Family and friends of the victims gathered at the scene, including the father of one of the victims.
"It's unbelievable what has happened," Doug Moyers said. "I can see my daughter's big toe sticking out from underneath the white blanket; that's all I can see of her is her big toe."
Sometimes things work out OK on their own!
You are making the all too common mistake of trying to substitute sentimental feel good pap for reason....
Four children are dead, as young as 12 years old, from a high speed crash into an immovable object at 3:00 in the morning. Responsible people (parents) everywhere want to know...why the h#!! were kids that young out joyriding in a stolen vehicle at that time of morning?
"Chutzpah" has been defined as killing your parents, then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan...I fail to see the difference here. BTW, the state didn't execute anyone...there's a difference between wishing this on someone, and acknowledging the harm was self inflicted. This is why it matters where your children are at 3:30 in the morning. You're either part of the solution, or part of the problem, they say...and you don't appear to be part of the solution.
We need more cruel and heartless people in this country, and less sympathy and compassion for criminal behavior. I am not ashamed to say my compassion is limited. After I've divvied it up between children sold into sexual slavery and babies with severe birth defects, I have none left over for snot nose brats who steal cars.
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Of course I never said the state executed these kids. I think you know that.
I certainly acknowledge the harm was self-inflicted. I’ve never said otherwise.
I also don’t see how I’m part of the problem by pointing out this kind of idiocy:
“Damn shame about the SUV and the train.....”
“It would seem that these kids have been rehabilitated...eh?”
“Sorry about the damage to train and the SUV.”
“What bothers me more is the taxpayer dollars wasted on the Life Flight ride and other medical expenses. Leave the riff-raff in the wreckage!”
“I prefer to think of them as the scum of the earth who need to be eradicated.”
“Hope the Jeep had full coverage.”
“Sometimes things work out OK on their own!”
Or do you support this stuff?
“We need more cruel and heartless people in this country, and less sympathy and compassion for criminal behavior.”
I’m not sympathizing with their behavior.
“Sometimes things work out OK on their own!”
Guess I need to repost since somebody was offended by my first comment (which was a whole lot tamer than other things I see).
Your reaction to this is absolutely pitiful. Sad.
No, you’re just demanding that other people conceal their lack of sympathy, and why, I don’t know. We could all be as pious and mealy-mouthed as you could desire, and those kids will still be dead. I suspect you’re simply taking advantage of the opportunity to demonstrate what you think is your moral superiority by running all over this thread castigating others.
Raised hand here. Many, many times.
Never in stolen cars though. Even at that age, I had some understanding of right and wrong, dangerous and stupid.
No, this is what you said...
Four children are dead and two are in bad shape. Most of you haven’t the slightest idea what their parents are going through right now. If you did, maybe you’d be a little less judgmental. Yes, the kids were being stupid and breaking the law. But it’s obvious that some people on this thread think they got what they deserved. Last time I looked, no state executes people for grand larceny.
I know there are a lot of people here whose give-a-d@mn is worn out, especially for those who make excuses for what in hindsight appears to easily predictable parenting misjudgments. Actions have consequences...parenting decisions, styles and values have consequences. Just as it's not heartless to acknowledge that the harm done to the children was self inflicted, so it's reasonable...even pertinent...to say that the angst the parents now feel was avoidable, predictably and painfully so.
Call me heartless, but I wouldn't have wished this on anyone. I didn't want to live it myself. That's why I made the parenting decisions I did, acted like the parent instead of their friend. I received no phone calls such as these parents did.
Being an adult requires one to look into the future, to match tomorrow's desired outcomes to today's actions. It's the single most important thing parents do.
So, spare me the mindless compassion and the condemnation of those whose only flaw appears to be the ability to see past the end of their noses. They (we) understand that these children didn't die because they deserved it (your word) but because carelessness has consequences.
“I suspect you’re simply taking advantage of the opportunity to demonstrate what you think is your moral superiority by running all over this thread castigating others.”
Of course that’s all I’m doing. I don’t actually have any sympathy for the families and in reality I’m delighted the kids are dead, just like you appear to be. (sarc)
“I received no phone calls such as these parents did.”
I’m glad to hear that and I hope you never do. Good parenting is indeed the most important factor in that. But luck is a factor as well.
You might well be right about the parenting of these kids, but you really don’t know, do you?
“I suspect you’re simply taking advantage of the opportunity to demonstrate what you think is your moral superiority by running all over this thread castigating others.”
I’d also point out that those jumping all over the kids and their parents are demonstrating their own form of “moral superiority.” You’ve got no room to talk about what you imagine to be mine.
This kind of story honestly makes me smile. Four pieces of criminal garbage are dead, and two can spend years being tormented by what happened - if they make it, that is. I’m not rooting for them to do so, either.
I’ve had four cars stolen and each time I wished the thieves dead. I’m not softening my stance just because the thieves were underage in this case. The world becomes a better place each time a criminal dies. In this case, four of them did with one or two possibly to follow, and that makes my weekend. If that makes me a bad person to you, so be it.
Probably not,and that just makes it worse.
Parents make mistakes...they’re human too.
Still and yet,these kids should have been better monitored.
It still doesn’t address the issue of a 12-year-old out at all hours of the night,and now the child is dead. Tragic.
Luck is always a factor. Depending upon it is not a plan. Unless this is the first time these children have been out at 3:30 in the morning, then it's a pattern...and I seriously doubt it's the first time.
I said no to a lot of overnights because I didn't know the parents. I didn't assume they were responsible, or held the same standards I did. I made a lot of phone calls. It took a lot of work.
I was a wild one, with little supervision; sheer luck kept me alive to 18. My parents didn't do their job.
Good parenting is not a matter of chance.
From the article:
happened at 3:30 AM.
There are no streetlights or lights that indicate that there is a train crossing.
Your (along with every other liberal’s) bleeding heart sympathy for and coddling of criminals is why I need to lock up everything I own.
The bottom line is these punks won’t steal any more cars.
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