Posted on 05/23/2007 2:02:02 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
I have no idea. Not sure I’ve ever seen a movie from the ‘30s
Why was she looking up her dress?
Never seen ‘Snow White and Seven Dwarfs’ or ‘The Wizard of Oz’ or ‘Gone With the Wind’?
We lived on a country road about 12 miles from the ambush site. A day or two before, we had seen that 34 Ford whiz past our house, and a neighbor came over and told us Bonnie and Clyde were in the car. An uncle of the gang member who supposedly helped set up the ambush lived a couple of miles on up the road.
The bodies were taken to the furniture store/funeral home in Arcadia and put on display. Being only 5 years old, I didn't get to go, but I know one or two people who were my age who were taken by their dads to see them.
The tiny town of Gibsland, LA has set itself up as the Bonnie & Clyde world center. They have a B&C festival about this time each year, with reenactments, and there are not just one, but two B&C museums. I think one has a version of the death car. There have been several of these over the years, but usually a close comparison with the photos from the original scene will show some variations in bullet hole locations, shattered glass, etc.
BARs, semi-auto [Remington, I believe] rifles, Thompsons...everything but the kitchen sink.
They were young and beautiful and all they needed was love... and guns to blow people's brains out. But the man just won't let them be. Death in a blaze of glory. There were many movies and images like this sold in the 60's.
The Guns of Frank Hamer The nemesis of Bonnie and Clyde packed an M1911 but it was a .38 Super By Rick Cartledge After some discussion with fellow Thompson book writer Rick Mattix and the helpful Dee Cordry, we voted that the following might be of interest to the knowledgeable OklahombreS readers. Writers have churned out much on Frank Hamer's skill with guns, not enough about his ability as a detective, and almost nothing about his thorough knowledge of firearms. Most of this article springs from research for an article on Bonnie and Clyde which will appear in the July issue of Machine Gun News and will be subsequently included in the new Thompson book edited by Tracie Hill. Some of this drops from a fortunate experiment done by a friend of mine in 1939. Finally, a small part of this comes from having spent the last 23 years in the good company of State Troopers, those most adaptable of lawmen. Rangers Hamer and Gualt patrolled on horses before they got cars. History records numerous examples of Ranger adaptability with the most famous being called Patterson and Walker. When Lee Simmons and Ma Ferguson put Frank Hamer on the trail of Bonnie and Clyde, the Ranger not only changed his car but his guns. The legendary lawman always carried a rifle and a .44 Triple Lock Smith and a C engraved single action .45 Colt called "Old Lucky". Frank Hamer believed justifiably that he could hit any target and had proved on numerous occasions that he could kill any target that was shooting at him. Given that Hamer had supreme confidence in his ability to equal anyone in a gunfight, the formidable lawman would not have changed the guns he was comfortable with without a very good reason. Since he kept "Old Lucky" and changed the other two guns, I believe that he had a very good reason and that reason was penetration. I believe that the savvy Ranger knew that Clyde's thick bodied V8 Ford was, to all but high powered guns, an extremely fast and bullet-proof car. Hamer may have suspected body armor. Hamer chose guns comfortable to him that would pierce the body of the V8 Ford and the bulletproof vests sometimes worn by lawmen and outlaws of the day. The two guns Hamer bought were both semi-automatic. Given his mission and the level from which it was launched, Capt. Hamer could have had any weapon he wanted. He selected for his rifle a Remington Model 8 in .35 caliber. For his pistol Hamer chose what has often been described as a .45 Colt automatic. This writer has never believed that the Colt was a .45, but more about that later. Frank Hamer had owned an engraved Remington Model 8 in .30 caliber for years and knew well the excellent qualities of the weapon. He opted for a larger caliber to deliver more punch to the target. He ordered the standard .35 from Jake Petmeckey's store in Austin, Texas and was shipped serial number 10045. Hamer also contacted the Peace Officer Equipment Company in St. Joseph, Missouri for it's "police only" 20 round magazine for the Remington rifle. Some years ago Frank Hamer Jr., a distinguished lawman in his own right, gave a filmed interview in which he showed the nimble .35 that his father had bought especially to go after Bonnie and Clyde. As to the rifle's ability to tear holes in a V8 Ford, Frank Hamer had an unimpeachable source - Clyde Barrow. Though Clyde and Bonnie escaped the Sowers ambush by Dallas County authorities in November of 1933, Clyde ditched his shot up car near the Ft. Worth Pike and commandeered a less damaged car to make good their flight to freedom. The abandoned V8 spoke volumes to the able lawmen of Dallas County and to the Rangers. Ted Hinton had hit the car 17 out of 30 shots with his Thompson submachine gun and hadn't penetrated the car body. Veteran Deputy Bob Alcorn had chugged away with his hefty Browning Automatic Rifle and ripped some respectable holes all the way through the car. Hinton called his Congressman, got a BAR from the government and a back seat full of ammunition, and learned how to shoot the roaring automatic rifle. Two months later, Frank Hamer opted for the Remington .35 as his hole puncher and he picked an interesting pistol to go with his quick-pointing rifle. To front for "Old Lucky", Capt. Hamer stuffed a blue steel Colt commercial automatic in his belt and it is this gun that is most interesting to this writer. I had long suspected that this Colt was not a .45 but one of the then new .38 Supers and I had three reasons for believing this. First, gangsters (Dillinger, Nelson, etc.) as well as lawmen had caught on to bullet proof vests and their resistance to .45 caliber penetration. Second, gangster use of the .38 Super to telling effect was known and thugs had even hammered the .38 Super into the extremely deadly machine pistol configuration. Two of these 22 round magazine equipped death machines were confiscated in a raid on John Dillinger's apartment in St. Paul in April of 1933. These Supers belonged to Nelson and were assembled from kits made by the Monarch Gun Company of Hollywood, California by underworld gunsmith H. S. Lebman of Texas. Nelson killed Federal Agent Baum at Little Bohemia with a .38 Super machine pistol. The third reason springs from a fortunate experiment done by a friend of mine in 1939 on a dare. Joseph Pinkston in his excellent book, with Robert Cromie, "Dillinger, A Short and Violent Life" writes of the apprehension of Dillinger gang member Leslie Homer and of his advice given to Racine officers in November of 1933. Since Capt. Hamer was known to have followed the Dillinger case as a matter of professional curiosity, he may well have been familiar with Homer's published remarks which were "If you want to give your coppers an even break with present-day gangsters, you want to equip them with the new Super .38 caliber. A gun of that type will shoot a hole right through any bulletproof vest ever made." A friend of this author who sold Thompson submachine guns in the 1930's and 1940's proved Leslie Homer's assertion in 1939 although he had never heard of Leslie Homer or his assertion. After an afternoon of shooting with another associate and a local policeman, my friend and the other man were dared to shoot the policeman in his bulletproof vest. The other man, armed with a .38 pistol, shot the policeman and knocked him to the ground but did not otherwise injure him. My friend was equipped with a .38 Super, and, more sense than the other two. He told the policeman that be would shoot the vest if he put it on a post, which the policeman did. My friend said the .38 Super cut a hole in the vest as neatly as a drill press. Had the policeman been wearing the vest he would have been killed instantly. This story teaches two lessons. First, a contemporary gun using contemporary ammunition blew a hole in a gangster era bulletproof vest. Second, my friend was knowledgeable of guns in the 1930's. So was Frank Hamer. Several months ago, this author was discussing this story with friend Mike Thacker. Thacker said he had something tucked away in his files that might help. Two days later, Mike handed over a copy of Guns and Ammo's "Handguns for Sport and Defense" magazine. In this March 1992 issue, Jim Wilson tells of an interview with Frank Hamer Jr. in which Mr. Hamer confirms that his father's Colt was indeed a .38 Super. Mr. Hamer's comment that his father did not particularly like automatics seems to hammer home the thought that the Ranger picked the gun for a reason. Finally, at about 9:15 in the morning of May 23, 1934 while the rifle smoke still hung in the air, the gun Frank Hamer held in his hand as he approached the bullet riddled 1934 Ford V8 was the .38 Super. Should either of the murderous pair still have breath in their bodies and strive to fire one more defiant round, the legendary lawman was packing iron that would go right through the car body. Most printed lists of the death car's armament list a number of .45 automatics. Ted Hinton, in his book "Ambush", declares that two of the colt automatics were .38 Supers. On the subject of penetration it seems that Clyde may also have known. It's for damn sure that Frank Hamer did. THE END http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/hamer_guns.htm
It is interesting how such elevations happen. I was reading about how in Australia one "Ned Kelly" became a folk hero, although it is hard for me to see any redeeming qualities about him and his activities.
Do I have money? No, I am poor and downtrodden.
Does he have money? Yes, that SOB has a lot more money than I do!
Is that outlaw taking money from the Sheriff, the Bank, the Railroad? Yes! My hero! He's bringing down the Mighty! He's speaking truth to power!
Childish, but there have been outlaw heroes going waaaaaaay back. It's an archetype that rises with great regularity.
First, Mom heard it,,,she was not peeping!
And the story of 19th is fascinating. Mom drove over from where she was living to see the brouhaha!
I read an article from a leftist who was living in a bad neighborhood. The guy was half asleep on the couch when someone started climbing through his window right in front of him. He was fascinated by the whole thing where a conservative would have simply bashed the guy’s head in. No, he didn't do anything about it. The burglar apologized for getting caught and the writer simply let him go.
Bonnie was by all accounts a very pretty woman (even a better looker than Faye Dunaway) except that at sometime during their brief career their car overturned she was burned and did not heal well and was disfigured. The movie apparently does a good job on her however as she would “shoot it out” with anyone with no fear.
I actually worked in a gas station some decades ago that they robbed some decades earlier.
a life of crime...which only lasted two years, thankfully.
Ned Kelly was a sadistic thug, as were his mother and brother.
"I'd hit it..."
I remember once reading that the Texas and Louisiana officers took out Bonnie and Clyde with Tommy guns. That must have been a hoot!”
Actually, the main weapon that the Texas and Lousiana police officers used in that ambush was Clyde Barrow’s favorite weapon. The Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR). It brought extreme pain down upon it’s victims .30 calibers at a time.
Mitt Romney could take a few tips from his fellow Mormon John Browning..
A friend of mine and I, both around 40 years old now, were riding in a car with one of the college-age members of our church, and talking about military service and World War II. I was talking about a guy I knew in high school whose grandfather had been a BAR rifleman in Europe.
The young fellow perked up. "BAR? What's that?"
Trying to be succinct as possible, I replied "It's a thirty-ought-six machine gun."
"...dude!" the kid replied, with wonder on his face.
"Yep, that's the right response," I told him. "That's what the Germans said."
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