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Malibu Archaeological Find Is a Point of Contention [ Clovis point ]
Malibu Surfside News ^ | May 13th, 2007 | Anne Soble

Posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

...a spearhead, or projectile point, that could have been used by hunters in the Clovis cultural era around 11,000 years ago to pursue a giant mammoth or buffalo in the vicinity of what is now Point Dume... was found in September 2005 by Edgar Perez, a cultural resources specialist for the Tongva Tribe in Los Angeles, who was hired as the Native American monitor at a Point Dume residential construction site. Stickel said Perez was overseeing backhoe digging and spotted the spearhead in the bucket before it was crushed... Interestingly, some descendants of the post-Clovis Chumash, traditionally considered Malibu's earliest residents, are wary of Clovis findings. Their oral histories may vary but, in some form, they subscribe to the prevailing coastal migration route theory that the first "Americans" were Asians who crossed the Bering Strait from Siberia. Dennis Stanford, however, has put forth the thesis, which Stickel thinks the Clovis finds support, that the earliest migrants came across the Atlantic from southwestern Europe on ice packs that bound all of the land masses closer together some 21,000 to 16,000 years ago.

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1 posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 05/15/2007 8:05:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv

thanks


3 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:50 AM PDT by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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To: beebuster2000

de nada.


4 posted on 05/15/2007 8:29:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well, this should be fun to watch! Wait until the California Coastal Commission gets involved. In this case I think more funds should be appropriated by someone to study the contemporary "culture" of Malibu. But I think political and psychiatric experts would be required instead of anthropologists/archaeologists. and

Trivia: I've heard the city of (often weird) "stars" is still on a septic tank system because it's feared that a regular sewer system would encourage more growth.

5 posted on 05/15/2007 8:31:35 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: SunkenCiv

The earliest human remains, ie skulls, found in the Americas
are not Asian.
See Early Man in the New World by MacGowan and Hester.


6 posted on 05/15/2007 9:02:57 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice find - how’d you wend your way to the malibu Surfside News?


7 posted on 05/15/2007 9:09:12 AM PDT by norton
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To: norton
and then stand with those who are cheek by jowl on the other side

I bet Sunken Civ has a few Google automatic search terms set up on things like archealogical, fossil, "clovis point" etc.

The automated searches that I have set up for work certainly turn up some odd publications. Then when I forward the story to someone they think I am so informed to be reading so many different news sites.

8 posted on 05/15/2007 9:17:26 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: norton
Nice find - how’d you wend your way to the malibu Surfside News?

I bet Sunken Civ has a few Google automatic search terms set up on things like archealogical, fossil, "clovis point" etc.

The automated searches that I have set up for work certainly turn up some odd publications. Then when I forward the story to someone they think I am so informed to be reading so many different news sites.

9 posted on 05/15/2007 9:18:46 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"The automated searches that I have set up for work certainly turn up some odd publications."

Maybe I need to figure out how this PC thingy works.
My semi-automated search engine is FR.

10 posted on 05/15/2007 10:01:17 AM PDT by norton
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To: norton
Maybe I need to figure out how this PC thingy works. My semi-automated search engine is FR.

You can go to Google and have it email you news and web alerts. http://www.google.com/alerts

For example if your spouse is a famous author, or you work for an elected official, you can put that name in as one of the search terms and whenever that name pops up on the Internet somewhere, Google will alert you. (timeliness of the alerts varies depending on the site)

11 posted on 05/15/2007 10:06:23 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Authenticated as using Clovis technology, but not as a true Clovis point. Interesting. As someone who’s not only a collector of flint artifacts and also a flint knapper, I’d love to exam that point. Was it the only find? was it complete? what material was it made from?

Fake Clovis points are a dime a dozen.


12 posted on 05/15/2007 11:40:30 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: norton
I probably shouldn't divulge any of Sunken's trade secrets, but I have these 2 sites bookmarked and check them out several times a week:

Archaeology News

and

Archaeologica

13 posted on 05/15/2007 2:00:11 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
Sorry, the first link should have been:

Archaeology News

14 posted on 05/15/2007 2:02:19 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
Don't worry.
I can keep a secret.
15 posted on 05/15/2007 2:17:30 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton

Knew you could!


16 posted on 05/15/2007 3:05:14 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

Could what?


17 posted on 05/16/2007 12:52:34 AM PDT by norton
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To: norton

Dude.


18 posted on 05/16/2007 9:41:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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