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Did NASA Accidentally “Nuke” Jupiter?
enterprisemission.com ^ | 2003 | Richard C. Hoagland

Posted on 04/10/2007 10:35:33 PM PDT by grundle

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To: Maynerd

NUT


41 posted on 04/11/2007 3:49:05 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: grundle

Ah, yes. The mysterious dark splotch.

That had been troubling me for sometime.

(No, the OTHER mysterious dark splotch!)


42 posted on 04/11/2007 3:57:06 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: SpaceBar
To compare him to a loon insults north american aquatic birds.

LOL!

I don't care what you say, I'm stealing this quote!

(If it's possible I'll credit you, but it's definitely getting stolen.)

43 posted on 04/11/2007 4:15:17 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: MrShoop
There is a Martian City at Cydonia

Is that Cydonia, TX or Cydonia, OH?

44 posted on 04/11/2007 4:18:50 AM PDT by Grut
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To: NMR Guy
Realistically, the pellets end up critical, not supercritical. They then slowly heat up, expand, and fall apart over the course of a few hours or days.

That would happen if it was acutally fissionable Pu-239 instead of Pu-238

Hoagland is nuts

Hoagland served as a "Curator of Astronomy & Space Science" [3] at the "Springfield Museum of Science

45 posted on 04/11/2007 5:35:14 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (btw..Rudy can untie the COUNTRY, not just our precious party... --- ChiTownBearFan 04/10/2007)
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To: Finalapproach29er

It’s been morphed with Photoshop to make her clown mouth even bigger than in real life. ;)


46 posted on 04/11/2007 5:38:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: NMR Guy
Alien 2 : The only way to be sure is to nuke it from orbit!
47 posted on 04/11/2007 6:07:06 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: grundle

way cool! maybe this would ignite Jupiter and turn it into a second Sun!


48 posted on 04/11/2007 6:16:43 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: grundle

Hoagland is a complete idiot.

I went rounds with him over this and he can’t see his errors. LOL

Why are you posting this pseudoscience crap?


49 posted on 04/11/2007 6:18:29 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

1) Hoagland is NOT a scientist. He is a science FICTION writer, and not even a good one.

2) His “theories” are mostly full of conspiracy theories about NASA, Egyptian gods, the Masons, Illuminati and something he calls “hyperdimensional physics.

3) He makes people PAY to post on his forums. We used to host him at one of our sites until he started censoring people, among other things. He didn’t want people who were tearing his theories apart to be heard (including the administrators like me).

4) He attacks people who disagree with him, or he tries to discredit them by making them sound bad.


50 posted on 04/11/2007 6:34:40 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com)
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich

If you want to discuss Hoagland’s work, then here on FR is not the place. Go to the Anomalies Network http://www.anomalies.net and click on the forums. Anyone is welcomed there, and you can discuss conspiracy crap all you want, but be warned, *I* post there, and if you post something that is stupid, I’ll be gunnin’ for you with facts. LOL


51 posted on 04/11/2007 6:36:46 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com)
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To: MrShoop
That the Old Navy Stores are tied in with secret societies and coverups.

Must be true.

52 posted on 04/11/2007 6:41:50 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
“hyperdimensional physics.

Ha! He was on C2CAM a couple of weeks ago saying that the "excess" heat output from Jupiter and Saturn was from hyperdimensional holes, in particular, from that newly observed hexagonal storm. (and, of course, he predicted everything that will be discovered years ago. Just ask his good friend Arthur C. Clarke...)

The other really annoying thing that sticks in my mind was that somebody was allegedly going to make "Monuments of Mars" into a movie, and RCH & Co. were going to have a say in the project, so anybody interested working on/in it has to read the book, and submit their resume to some fax number, iirc.

53 posted on 04/11/2007 7:08:24 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: grundle

Do you know how a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator works or is made? Apparently you and the author do not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator

It’s a pretty complete entry.

About 2/3 of the way down the page is a brief comparison between an RTG and a fission pile:

“RTGs use a different process of heat generation from that used by nuclear power stations. Nuclear power stations generate power by a chain reaction in which the nuclear fission of an atom releases neutrons which cause other atoms to undergo fission. This allows the rapid reaction of large numbers of atoms, thereby producing large amounts of heat for electricity generation. However, if the reaction is not carefully controlled the number of atoms undergoing fission (and the heat production) can grow exponentially, very rapidly becoming hot enough to destroy the reactor.

Chain reactions do not occur inside RTGs, so such a nuclear meltdown is not possible. In fact, some RTGs are designed so that fission does not occur at all; rather, forms of radioactive decay which cannot trigger other radioactive decays are used instead. As a result, the fuel in an RTG is consumed much more slowly and much less power is produced.

There are no nuclear proliferation risks associated with plutonium-238 because it is unsuitable for making nuclear weapons. The major reason for this is that plutonium-238 undergoes spontaneous fission at a high rate and thus emits neutrons randomly, causing the chain reaction to start too early in the triggering process. This would cause a plutonium-238 bomb to “fizzle”, greatly reducing its reliability and power. Moreover, plutonium-238 is very hot; this would complicate the manufacturing process.”

It’s all about heat, not boom....


54 posted on 04/11/2007 7:16:41 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: Wonder Warthog

Well technically speaking, Pu-238 is not fissile. It is fissionable, but it requires a fast neutron with an energy on the order of something like 5 MeV (which obviously won’t occur in this case). This is also the case with other even nuclides in that area (which is why U-233 and U-235 are fissile but U-238 and Th-232 aren’t). Of course U-238 and Th-232 can be activated and converted into a fissile substance with neutron absorption and subsequent beta decay. The time period for those actions is several orders of magnitude longer than that of an ordinary fission reaction and the neutron source for it is still sort of fuzzy—not to mention how burnout would be prevented.

There are a lot of areas in science or engineering where you can make bogus claims and have them not be outright detected. You could make a skull and call it a missing link, you could say you have a new theory for the collapse of the WTC, you can claim to have cloned a human, etc. However, nuclear physics is not one of those areas. With the number of eyes and the amount of mathematical coherency in nuclear physics, I cannot imagine someone pulling a hoax without being caught very rapidly (probably in days). Hundreds of the greatest physicists who ever walked the Earth spent the last century beating this theory into existence, and one crazy kook isn’t going to prove them all wrong.


55 posted on 04/11/2007 7:17:51 AM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Is that nose Micheal Jackson’s?


56 posted on 04/11/2007 7:39:50 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush)
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I didn’t hear of this a few years ago. Interesting read


57 posted on 04/11/2007 7:39:57 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


58 posted on 04/11/2007 7:42:37 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: kalee
Nuke the martians!

59 posted on 04/11/2007 7:45:36 AM PDT by beeber (stuned)
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To: MrShoop
The advanced civilisation on Mars had prior warning of the cataclysm and so escaped via migration to planet Earth, eventually adapting to the environment and becoming the present human race.

Hey! They had a movie on this on the Sci-fi Channel last night called "Crimson Force"! Didn't know it was a docu-drama!

60 posted on 04/11/2007 7:48:03 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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