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Prehistoric whale found in inland Italy
AP/Yahoo ^ | 4/3/07 | ALESSANDRA RIZZO

Posted on 04/03/2007 3:54:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro

Prehistoric whale found in inland Italy

By ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writer 5 minutes ago

ROME - Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region, officials said Tuesday.

The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.

Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find cetacean fossils in Tuscany.

But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.

"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.

"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale — shells, fish and others — is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the organisms for lab research.

Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.

Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.

The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with Milan's Museum of Natural History.

Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.

"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea mammals."

The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum once it is restored.


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1 posted on 04/03/2007 3:54:51 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Paleo Whale-o Ping


2 posted on 04/03/2007 3:55:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Goethe would have liked this find. He was Minister of Mines along with his other duties and his theater hobbies. Pretty knowledgeable of geologic matters.


3 posted on 04/03/2007 3:57:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: martin_fierro

Should have looked past the headline. Thought Teddy Kennedy died.


4 posted on 04/03/2007 4:17:43 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: martin_fierro
There is no evidence for a world wide flood...isn’t that what people say?
5 posted on 04/03/2007 4:18:49 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: RightWhale
Ah but he really had a thing for all things Roman.

His "Roman Elegies" were written in the Classic Iambic Pentameter. In his diaries he noted that he could see the Roman out of his apartment room. He was so thrilled by all things Classic that he composed a poem and beat our the meter on the back of his "courtesan".

He had a whale of a time and like all Northern Europeans of the period would head south for the winter fun!!!

I should know... of course there were his depressing moments too!

6 posted on 04/03/2007 4:19:31 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt.")
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To: highlander_UW

Vico says there was. He is right about some things and well respected in Naples, so he could be right about that, too. It is not necessary for his thesis, but it fits well.


7 posted on 04/03/2007 4:21:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Young Werther

I wish I had read Italienishe Reise before I visited Italy. Nevertheless I saw much of the same thing except Sicily. Standard student tourism.


8 posted on 04/03/2007 4:24:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: martin_fierro

genus: rosius odonnoliuos

9 posted on 04/03/2007 4:29:53 PM PDT by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: martin_fierro

Or, there was a Flood, as per the Bible, and the animal died in that location.


10 posted on 04/03/2007 4:48:51 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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"Or, there was a Flood, as per the Bible, and the animal died in that location."

Why would a flood cause the whale to die? They live in the water.

11 posted on 04/03/2007 5:55:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; vimto; Jedi Master Pikachu
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old whale in the Tuscan countryside...
12 posted on 04/03/2007 9:40:21 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

They know it’s prehistoric, because history requires writing, and whales don’t know how to write.


13 posted on 04/03/2007 10:32:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: martin_fierro; george76; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; ...
Mammal told me there'd be days like this.

Thanks martin_fierro and george76, not least because I got to use that joke ONE MORE TIME!!! ;')

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14 posted on 04/03/2007 10:33:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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last time I ran across a dead whale, I was sniffling & baleen my eyes out for days.

Wasn’t sad; it was the STENCH!

15 posted on 04/03/2007 10:48:49 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: SunkenCiv
They know it’s prehistoric, because history requires writing, and whales don’t know how to write.

Modern ones do. That's why they're called Wright Whales.

16 posted on 04/03/2007 10:50:49 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: martin_fierro; SunkenCiv
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground...

Those are VERY dedicated amateur fossil hunters. I've never dug more than about 8 or 10 feet...on porpoise.

17 posted on 04/03/2007 10:55:18 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: SunkenCiv
nice...

Mammal told me there'd be days like this.

18 posted on 04/03/2007 11:06:23 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ApplegateRanch
For all those, you deserve the big one:
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19 posted on 04/03/2007 11:09:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: george76

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I think he did a little too much LDS.
20 posted on 04/03/2007 11:18:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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