US Beef Board
Posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:41 AM PST by shrinkermd
This is from the Journal Of American Medical Association published on 7 March 2007. The authors are Christopher D. Gardner, PhD et al and the study was sponsored by Stanford University.
This is a prospective study of these diets. The Atkins Diet is very low carbohydrate. The LEARN DIET is a comprehensive lifestyle, excercise, attitude and relationship approach that includes a diet low in fat and high carbohydrate. The Ornish Diet is very high in carbohydrates. The Zone Diet is low in carbohydrate. These diets are popular and can be easily Googled.
Seventy or more premenopausal women randomly assigned to each diet. They were instructed in the diet over two months and the final determination of efficacy was made at 12 months.
The Atkins diet lost more weight and had more favorable metabolic effects than the other three diets. At the end of 1 year women in the Adkins cohort lost, on the average, 4.7 kilograms (10.4 lbs);the others scaled down from this figure. Similar results were found at 6 months and also for the trigylcerides and other measurements
OK,
then are you saying all my nutritional assessments are wrong?
That humans don't need 30cc of fluid per KG of body weight, or they don't need 35gm of fiber (ideally). That women are best served by consuming 1500mg of calcium a day or that most need around 15mg of iron? That the standard of .8 kg of protein for an average healthy individual is wrong and that 50% of kcal from CHO is based on myth? All this ties back into the recommendations and the way we right diets and menus.
Are you saying that the ACA recs for plant based plates is money driven? Same with the AHA and ADA? That we just made all this up for money?
And on and on and on. Honestly, if the 30% of professionals I know were writing the FP today, there would be very little animal on it. But that's more from working with sick people and bad diets. That's from hearing more than one diet history where there were almost no fruits or veges, but lots and lots of meat, fat and sugar.
Look, I accepted a long time ago that being an RD AND being on FR was like being a Wiccan at a tent revival. Unwelcome and unwanted. :) So I avoid these threads.
But I love my job, I believe in what I do and I believe in the results that I see on a daily basis. And I do see positive results which makes glad I chose this profession. Even though I'm WAY underpaid.
I'm outta here,
thanks for the ping hun. :)
Beef's good, tofu sucks. ;-)
What's for lunch?
An RD? Pardon my ignorance...what's that stand for?
Simply eating "normal" foods, avoiding high-fructose corn syrup when possible, and going easy on the sweet desserts, fast food, and heavily processed foods is just fine for most people. While the basic "recommendations" are probably a good guide to go buy, you can't tell me that lobbying wasn't involved in the FP decision.
It's short for
underpaid,
underappreciated,
hated by conservatives (Why AM I here come think of it?)
And I happen to like tofu as much as meat.
Would you believe that the ONLY lobbying I heard about was from the Beef Board?
That most RDs wanted MORE plant on it, not less than what was on it?
Believe me, what you got isn't anything like the fighters in the trenches wanted.
Absolutely not. I'm saying that the gov't recommended food pyramid is based largely on lobbyists. You even admit that most successful diets are veggie and fruit based. The problem is that the USDA says it should be based on grain - and includes pasta and refined flour based products in that category - which have very little nutritional value. And the reason they include those products is $$$.
Diets like SB and atkins steer towards "good" carbs - those with high fiber counts, as opposed to the crap that the USDA includes.
So nice of you to join us.
I'll see if I can find a stripper thread to ping you to after while...
I'd agree, but I'll be the first to admit that I do love high-carb and starchy foods of both the "good" and "bad" variety.
Human beings aren't rabbits, we're meant to eat more than celery and carrots.
It's not about "Diets" it's about nutritional needs.
It's like saying humans don't need air. The FP wasn't about weight loss, it was about an easy referrence for getting the nutrients you need on a daily basis. DIET isn't weight loss.
We are talking human nutritional needs.
RR,
do I insult what you do for a living?
No, there is way more to eat than celery and carrots.
You'll die in 5 minutes without air, but you can still live to be 100 if you don't follow the FP perfectly...
I know what you're saying, Naj, but the two aren't the same.
Thanks,
I so love the insults and slams :P
I didn't insult what you do! Nor have you insulted my job...although plenty of others at FR have.
I don't know why they don't just do away with the US Food and Drug Admin and fire the thousands of nutritionists that support the FP. They don't know what the heck they are talking about.
The handfull of diet salesman and Beef Board lobbyists really know what we need.
/sarc
What we are talking about is
a. Educating groups who are clueless about what they need and getting more confused every day.
b. 'Institutional' settings were choices are being made for people.
In both, we have to have guidelines to follow. That's what I base my assessments on, the ideal. No one follows it 100%, but there is this framework.
That's all. Just a 'Try to get adequate amounts of XYZ' in teaching and 'Are they getting adequate amounts of XYZ' in the institutionalized settings.
HB,
you just reposted something that I saw my first month here.
No joke.
My job, and what I do is 'evil' to some.
Whatever.
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