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Government admits lying about jailed border agents (DHS fesses up - Rep. Poe ticked!)
World Net Daily ^ | February 6, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:18:29 PM PST by calcowgirl

Inspector confronted on Capitol Hill, says promised 'proof' does not exist

A Department of Homeland Security official admitted today the agency misled Congress when it contended it possessed investigative reports proving Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean confessed guilt and declared they "wanted to shoot some Mexicans" prior to the incident that led to their imprisonment.

The admission came during the testimony of DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, according to Michael Green, press secretary for Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.

Culberson was questioning Skinner about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting the DHS Inspector General's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:

1. confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

2. stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

3. stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

4. were belligerent to investigators;

5. destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.

Under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up the claims: "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from the congressman.

"You lied to me and you lied to all of us," Culberson charged. "Your office tried to paint a picture of Ramos and Compean as dirty cops, and now you come before this committee and tell us you never had the information to back up those claims."

Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month after their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler who was granted immunity to testify against them.

Responding to Skinner's testimony yesterday, Poe said it "explains why DHS has been stonewalling Congress."

"DHS didn't turn over the reports to us to back up their September 26 accusations for one simple reason – the reports never existed," the Texas congressman said.

"Why did it take DHS four months to admit their error?" he asked. "I wonder how much more has DHS told the public and Congress about Ramos and Compean that simply isn't true?"

Poe said he's determined to get to the bottom of DHS's claim.

"I expect this new revelation will lead to a lot more questions before we're done," he said.

Andy Ramirez, who has been involved with the case as chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, told WND the DHS's actions "represent obstruction of justice, and they should be held in contempt of Congress, and, if possible, prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

"This admission today is yet more proof of how they are willing to distort the facts, as I have charged all along, in order to ensure a conviction," he said.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; culberson; dhs; duncanhunter; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen; outtoshootmexicans; sutton; tedpoe; vigilantes; warning; witchhunt
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To: hellbender
That's mysterious, considering that the judge wouldn't allow them out of prison while their cases are appealed, on the grounds that they are "flight risks."

Flight risks? Source, please.

I've read the judge's Orders denying the agents' motions to remain free on bond until Appeal. It says no such thing.

361 posted on 02/06/2007 10:37:17 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Check out the Innocence Project. What am I doing??? Well I'm arguing on the internet of course. That should solve what ails the world.


362 posted on 02/06/2007 10:41:46 PM PST by rednesss
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To: Pelham
Incredibly enough the judge said they would be flight risks to go to Mexico.

Which case are you referring to? I've read the judges order, and it didn't say anything about flight risk.

363 posted on 02/06/2007 10:45:13 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: reformedliberal

Makes all kinds of sense to me. Our government wants illegals here.


364 posted on 02/06/2007 10:47:27 PM PST by jwh_Denver ("Planet of the Apes" happened because people wouldn't proof read their posts.)
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To: msnimje
What, that Ramos was arrested several times for domestic abuse? People who take the time to research this case know that is indeed a fact.

Yep... he was. He was going through a messy divorce and allegations were made by his wife and her father. All charges were dropped. He was never prosecuted nor found guilty of anything. Your point is?

They also know he was disciplined for conduct unbecoming a federal officer.

Source? Never heard that one.

365 posted on 02/06/2007 10:51:58 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: erton1

Arnold's office issued a statement recently that so many prisoners were going to be shipped out of state.

Sadly, the Border Patrol guys were 2 of the people - and this took them totally away from their families.


366 posted on 02/06/2007 10:52:57 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: pandoraou812

Well I doubt Dog and his family found it funny if it was a joke. I'm sure some Mexican judges hands got greased and it's all on its way to being swept under the rug, but, who knows.


367 posted on 02/06/2007 10:53:20 PM PST by rednesss
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To: Pelham; All
White House comment line: (202) 456-1111
368 posted on 02/06/2007 11:15:48 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008)
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To: Islander7

Those elected officials also have the power to appoint other officials to key positions in our immigration system. Try googling USCIS and other immigration agencies and see what you find as to who is heading them up now, appointed by THIS administration...


369 posted on 02/06/2007 11:20:27 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge

If they survive?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/06/D8N4E48O0.html


370 posted on 02/06/2007 11:37:03 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: Arizona Carolyn

My sentiments exactly!


371 posted on 02/07/2007 12:16:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

That was a fine sentiment : )


372 posted on 02/07/2007 12:19:00 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: calcowgirl

This whole thing is a giant FU from Pres. Bush to those who believe in secure borders.

Maybe Hillary will pardon them after she gets elected.


373 posted on 02/07/2007 12:46:19 AM PST by common denominator
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To: All
Lots of calls for accountability. Except for the whistle blower himself who exposed mis-, mal-, and nonfeasance when has a GS, SES, or appointed government employee been held accountable?

Remember the ongoing case of the "suicide" of Kenneth Trentadue and his brother's federal court efforts to get facts?

A DOJ/OIG investigation said

"The correctional officers who discovered [the prisoner] hanging in his cell responded in a timely fashion. Within seconds, several [correctional officers] arrived at his cell and were poised to enter. [but] Unfortunately they did not do so." An estimated ten minutes passed before the body was taken down. They should have "attempted to revive him," but.. well, golly gee. You see, the Lieutenant on duty wanted video and photos first.

The body moved to the infirmary and paramedics called, they noted that the prisoner’s head was bloody, with trauma to his forehead.

A medical examiner who came to take the body recalled that "she had never seen a hanging accompanied by a cut neck and head trauma, and she became concerned about the cause of Trentadue’s death. She examined the death scene (cell)."

She was the only outsider to see the blood-splattered (floor, walls, bed, sink) cell. The cell was cleaned up immediately. [Why? It was falsely reported by prison employees that the prisoner had HIV so, golly gee, the cell was a danger to all.]

The medical examiner's office (not part of the prison) brought in the FBI to see the body. The FBI opened a criminal investigation. Investigations followed but the "crime" scene was gone and only a little video, photos, some personal items, and the evidence from the body were left. "FBI Laboratory tests did not find anyone else’s blood on items taken from [the cell]." No mention of fingerprints.

"The [prison official] did not collect the evidence properly, photograph the cell sufficiently, or describe the evidence he had collected accurately. Some of the evidence was moved before photographs were taken."

Though DOJ admitted that the prisoner had asked for protection the DOJ expert investigators concluded that it was indeed suicide. The blood on the walls, floor, bed, sink and other items could be explained away as clumsy (my word)attempts to commit suicide. The expert investigators even said that the prisoner had "attempted to cut his throat with a toothpaste tube."

(Any fan of those old Loony Toon cartoons can easily picture the prisoner ricocheting around his cell.)

Just be thankful if the two men get out of prison alive.

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/9912.htm

374 posted on 02/07/2007 12:51:05 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
If the President was smart.... at this point he would ask for the pen to sign a pardon ASAP because this thing is starting to get ugly and Ramos and Compean are not the people looking bad here.

But I think we all know the President is not smart.

We must pray that God intervenes here or those BP agents doing their jobs will be killed in prison.

375 posted on 02/07/2007 1:11:48 AM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: janetgreen

"keep your hands off my open borders"

Ditto. I couldn't agree more. He got caught and may have to at least "look" at a pardon because of public outcry.


376 posted on 02/07/2007 2:49:17 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: hellbender
"I just can't believe you would actually cite Aztlan.net for "true" info about Ramos."


Better start believing it. The OBL mind set falls pretty close to the policies of Aztlan except, Aztlan wants to reconquer and occupy the US. (I don't know if our resident OBLs have stooped to that level yet)
377 posted on 02/07/2007 4:26:03 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: reformedliberal
Does anyone know WHY DHS is doing this?

Isn't it rather obvious the orders come from the top? This administration wants open borders, that became clear in the meeting Bush had with Fox and ...the Canadien PM in, I think it was 03, where the stated goal is a unified North America blah blah...

The lead federal atty Johnny Sutton has long & close ties to the Bush family in Texas, Sutton took the case instead of the federal prosecutors assigned for that area...

I hope this blows up on the WH but I suspect a pardon will be used to serve as damage control when things get too hot for Bush.

378 posted on 02/07/2007 4:41:33 AM PST by citizen (Bi-Partisan (Dims+Bush) Amnistia coming soon to a nation near you. "We don't need no stinkin' fence")
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To: citizen
The Governor, Rep. McCaul and others have been hiding behind the White House "aprons" on this......

Mr. Governor Slick-Hair and your Weenie-Suckup-Sidekick, Rep. McCaul, must step forward and right this wrong...oh and BTW...Mr. Gov....go home!

Shame on you both!

379 posted on 02/07/2007 4:50:48 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"when it comes to the borders this administration is as corrupt as any that has come before... or more so."

Also on spending and regulation.


380 posted on 02/07/2007 4:54:43 AM PST by Daveinyork
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