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3-year-old unnerves airline [Girl taken off flight for crying too much]
Telegram.com ^ | 01/21/07 | Dianne Williamson

Posted on 01/22/2007 10:51:57 AM PST by MotleyGirl70

Meet Elly Kulesza, Terror Toddler.

In her finer moments—mainly when she’s on land — 3-year-old Elly is an adorable and sweet-mannered child, a blue-eyed charmer who likes to dance and harbors a particular fondness for Thomas the Tank Engine.

“She’s a typical 3-year-old,” said her mother, Julie Kulesza of 7 Primrose St. in Worcester. “She has her moments like all 3-year-olds, but she’s not like one of those ‘Nanny 911’ children you see on TV.”

Elly’s dad, Gerald Kulesza, is a full-time EMT in Boston who also attends nursing school full time, and he did so well last semester that Elly’s mom surprised her husband with a trip to Florida to visit his parents, who live in Bonita Springs. So on Jan. 11, the family flew from Logan Airport to Fort Meyers on AirTran Airways, and even though it was Elly’s first plane trip she behaved like a dream and spent most of the flight coloring in her coloring book and watching movies on a portable DVD player.

“She was great,” her mom remembered. “When we made our descent into Florida we could see the water and she shouted, ‘Look, mommy, there’s the beach where we go swimming,’ and everyone laughed.”

Yes, it was a heartwarming moment for all concerned, and the trip was great, too. The family swam and went sightseeing, and on Jan 14 they drove back to the airport for the return trip home. They checked their luggage — a suitcase and a car seat. As they waited for their flight to be called, Elly contentedly munched on a bag of Cheetos and watched out the window as the planes took off and landed.

Then came … The Boarding. Suddenly and without warning, angelic little Elly morphed into every parents’ nightmare.

Her mom thinks it may have been because of the ear surgery Elly underwent earlier this month, and perhaps her memory of the discomfort and ear pressure she endured during the plane’s descent into Florida. For whatever reason, when they got on the plane, Elly started to cry and wouldn’t stop. Nor would she sit down — she plopped herself down on the floor in front of her seat and proceeded to throw a temper tantrum.

“I was trying to console her and the stewardess came over and said, ‘Did you buy that seat for her?’ remembers Ms. Kulesza, 31, who is four months pregnant. “I said yes, and she told me my daughter needs to sit in it. I told her I was trying.”

Moments later, an AirTran Airways employee armed with a walkie-talkie addressed Mr. Kulesza.

“Sir, you need to get her under control,” she said.

“We’re trying,” Mr. Kulesza noted.

The passengers, meanwhile, were quite understanding and one of them offered the toddler a lollipop, which she rejected. Then the walkie-talkie woman returned to the Kuleszas’ aisle and displayed the raw tact and diplomacy of Donald Trump.

“Sir, you need to get off the plane,” she announced.

“What?” a stunned Mr. Kulesza asked. “Are you serious?”

“Sir, you need to get off the plane now.”

They got off the plane, while their luggage and car seat flew on to Boston. In the terminal they were directed to an AirTran supervisor, who told the couple that the stewardess was uncomfortable “because you have an unruly child who struck a woman on board.”

Mr. Kulesza was incredulous. “That was her mother,” he explained. “She hit her on the arm. Lady, this is a 3-year-old child we’re talking about.”

“Sir, we don’t differentiate between 3 and 33,” the AirTran supervisor replied. Mr. Kulesza said the woman proceeded to lecture him about child discipline, and how she would never tolerate her children behaving in such a manner, at which point Mr. Kulesza said, “You really need to stop talking now.”

The couple were also told that, since they had been ejected from the plane, they were banned from flying with AirTran for 24 hours. So they were forced to return to Bonita Springs for the night, and Mr. Kulesza missed a 16-hour work shift, and the next day they returned to the airport and can surely be forgiven if they fed their daughter enough Children’s Benadryl to fell a stallion. I exaggerate, perhaps, but it’s certainly what I would have done. In any case, Elly slept through the return flight home.

The incident has sparked varied responses from those who heard the story. While many people — mostly parents — sympathize with the Kuleszas, others are less inclined. For example, when I related the tale to an unnamed colleague and asked if he had ever heard of an airline bouncing a child from a flight he said, “No, but I’m all for it. Couldn’t they have checked her with the baggage?”

This colleague, as it happens, has no kids.

AirTran, meanwhile, has apparently had a change of heart. After the airline received a phone call Thursday from yours truly, an AirTran customer service rep called the Kuleszas, apologized profusely for the incident and refunded them the $595 cost of their tickets.

“We do believe the situation could have been handled differently,” said AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver. “We will use this case as a means to train our agents on dealing with this type of situation on our flights … While there are FAA regulations that mandate all passengers have to be securely fastened in their seat belts before a plane can depart, we need to work with our customers in situations like this to help them — and that is what we will focus on.”

Ms. Kulesza is appreciative of the response, but believes she could have calmed her daughter down, if given the chance.

“It wasn’t like she had a bomb strapped to her waist,” she noted.

AirTran also extended another offer to the Kuleszas — free airline tickets to the destination of their choosing. The offer has been declined.

“I said I appreciated it, but I told them not to bother,” Ms. Kulesza said. “We won’t ever be flying with that airline again.”


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KEYWORDS: kidsonairplanes; travel
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To: OldFriend

My husband was on a long flight like that, and got a frown from the stewardess with the drinks cart when he offered to buy the baby a Bourbon-and-Similac.


21 posted on 01/22/2007 11:34:17 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: clamper1797
Yup ... there is always someone who thinks that the rest of us should suffer their brats

And they are sooo tolerant when you scream and cry right back at their child.

22 posted on 01/22/2007 11:35:03 AM PST by Niteranger68 (The United States is a safe haven for all cultures……except its own.)
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To: gubamyster

Hyberbole not withstanding ... children 5 and older are usually ok on airplanes


23 posted on 01/22/2007 11:35:31 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: Hoodlum91

A friend of mine did that to his kids for a flight from Guam to the U.S. He said many passengers and flight attendants thanked him profusely.


24 posted on 01/22/2007 11:36:10 AM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: clamper1797

Yep, there are always some that are somewhat selfish and think even in a public setting they should not be disturbed. The little ones are children, children cry. Calling them degrading names does not change that.


25 posted on 01/22/2007 11:37:18 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: JRios1968
I was "getting violent towards them."

I do not doubt that for ONE minute.

26 posted on 01/22/2007 11:39:29 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: SF Republican

Try taking your squalling kid to a public library and see how long you last


27 posted on 01/22/2007 11:41:27 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: teenyelliott

And yet, you'd be wrong!

I wasn't getting violent...I wasn't even raising my voice, certainly not over the level needed to make yourself heard in the rear of a 737. Screw 'em.


28 posted on 01/22/2007 11:43:01 AM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: SF Republican; clamper1797

The new parents definition of selfish: Not allowing yourself to disturbed by someone else's children.


29 posted on 01/22/2007 11:43:40 AM PST by Niteranger68 (The United States is a safe haven for all cultures……except its own.)
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To: RacerF150

Exactly ... how very selfish ... of me ...


30 posted on 01/22/2007 11:45:49 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: SF Republican
How about...maybe if you don't like hearing a kid cry, then you should get off of the plane.

That is the attitude that explains the hostility towards the children.
Although in this case it may not be true, the "it's all about me and my kids and screw the rest of you" attitude is universally unacceptable --- and much too common.

31 posted on 01/22/2007 11:49:10 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Hoodlum91
On my last trip to Florida a young mother started giving her three young children benadryl about 1/2 an hour before we were scheduled to take off. She caught me watching her and I thanked her. She laughed and said it was for her sanity as well.

We did that to our two year old coming out of Johannesburg headed for London. She screamed for 3 hours and then passed out. She had never been a problem before but we were trying to do our best to make sure. I guess the drug didn't work as suggested. Perhaps to make some of the asses on this thread happy we should have just left her in Africa after the job ended.

32 posted on 01/22/2007 11:50:51 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: clamper1797
I would not take my child anywhere when they are "squalling". When one is on an airplane flight ones options are greatly diminished. Lets discuss this issue before you start bringing up all of the places one should NOT take their child. Or we can just accept that you are intolerant of the plight of others in this scenario.
33 posted on 01/22/2007 11:51:30 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: gubamyster
but it sounds like the stewardess wanted that kid strapped in its seat.

Not so much her as FAA regulations. Not the least of which would probably be the airline's insurance carrier. I can see the lawsuit now from the parents if something happened to that child because it had not be properly strapped in it's seat.

34 posted on 01/22/2007 11:51:41 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I'm disgusted by parents who can't discipline their children. Any 3 year old who hits her mother, as this child did, has not been raised properly.

The other night at dinner there were three children running around, standing on chairs, and shrieking. The parents were ignoring them. At one point it got so bad the entire restaurant just stopped and turned toward the kids.

One of the fathers announced with a smile, "Folks, we're leaving soon." I responded in a very loud voice, "We're all hoping."

I loved the shocked look on the father's face! They left immediately.


35 posted on 01/22/2007 11:52:44 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: linda_22003

LOL....I think your hubby had the right idea!


36 posted on 01/22/2007 11:53:27 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: clamper1797
If there were a small child on the flight it was always my great fortune to have the seat next to them

My good furtune is to get the morbidly obese passenger next to me.

37 posted on 01/22/2007 11:54:14 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: clamper1797

I have, too; I always try to put myself in their shoes. Sure it's irritating, but being a parent, you try to understand.

Same at the supermarket and restaurants- when a child is throwing a hum-dinger, I usually think- been there, done that, poor mom.


38 posted on 01/22/2007 11:54:36 AM PST by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Yes there are some asses out there who can't tell the difference between a necessary trip like leaving Africa where having small children would be acceptable and an unnecessay trip like visiting the grandparents


39 posted on 01/22/2007 11:55:37 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: Publius6961
I certainly did not mean to insinuate its all about me and my kids, my point is just the opposite: if the passenger is upset then they should make other arrangements. If I don't like something happening then I can do something about it not demand the "offending party" do what I want them to do. Do you feel if a child starts crying on a plane then the parents should disembark if that is what one other passenger wants? Do you really think there is a hostile attitude towards children?
40 posted on 01/22/2007 11:58:05 AM PST by SF Republican
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