BODIES OF SOUTH CAROLINA COUPLE WHO WENT MISSING EN ROUTE TO NEW YORK TO VISIT FAMILY FOUND

Fox News Channel | 12/11/2006

[tsmith130]

Found in a NC swamp. No foul play...believe to be an auto accident. Prayers for their family. They looked like a loving, happy couple.

[sodpoodle]

TS posted this thread, but made only 2 follow-up posts to surfer. I find that interesting I would like to hear what TS'observations are related to the 911 caller.

If what Howlin writes is accurate; "I95 is infested with non-compliant trucks and coyotes transporting illegals", perhaps Mr.Rogers was fearful of stopping, and called 911 in spite of his apprehensions.

Just a thought, not a sermon.

sp

[sodpoodle]

Wanted to make sure I quoted you accurately.

" And it's LOADED with trucks that aren't up to code and trucks carrying illegals"

[Howlin]

You remark about "cabal" and "reputation" proves what you're here about.

Now take a hint: I will be direct: Don't post TO or ABOUT me anymore.

I'm done responding to you. You seem to feed on it.

[surfer]

At this point is appears Mr. Rodgers did nothing wrong. At least he took the time to call and report it.

I wonder what the traffic census would show as typical flow of traffic for the time of day. I wonder how many other people didn't take the time to call.

The heat from this issue is just beginning. I don't think outlets like WRAL are going to drop this until it is fully investigated.

[surfer]

To take a quote from one of your previous posts to me:

"Looks like I struck a nerve."

Post 253 btw...do you remember?

[blu]

Problem is...a lot of car seats are not manufactured correctly and they are certainly not installed properly most of the time.

True, but a child secured IN THE SEAT, at least, while the seat isn't secured properly, has a much better chance of survival than a child who is totally unsecured.

My only complaint about my van is that the LATCH hooks (special hooks for car seats) are only installed in the third row seating...a place my sis the EMT has told me to never put a car seat (rear-end collisions).

Sorry to OT...but this might be a learning thread (think that's OK?).

[surfer]

Yes you are correct. As close to the center of any vehicle is typically the safest position.

BTW...you were supposed to be included in post 551 I must have thrown an e on your address when I typed...sorry about that.

[sodpoodle]

I have driven I95 from Florida to NY by myself. It is a scary, yet boring hypnotic highway. I shall not do that again, based on my own experience. Cannot imagine what steps I would have taken if I had noticed a car in trouble. Probably, exactly what Mr. Rodgers did. In that state of fear, I would have had to pull off in order to make a cell call. And then you never know what might jump out of the woods/swamps.

My familiarity with mile markers would have helped, but as astute posters have noted, 70 mph makes those markers move rapidly.

The inquiry will be interesting, but not very comforting to the family. I hope the Guay family never reads this thread.

Condolences on your friend's passing.

[blu]

Oh, that's ok. I'm not really up on all the rules about pinging people...I figure they're following the thread. As for misspelling my name, happens all the time. There's probably a rule about THAT too!!

[surfer]

Do you know if anyone has done the analysis of the location data given by the 911 caller to see how far off he was to the actual location?

[sodpoodle]

Do you know if anyone has done the analysis of the location data given by the 911 caller to see how far off he was to the actual location?

_______________________________________NO
I'll be back - will listen to the 911 tape again (on this thread somewhere) and check for local news/radio updates.

Do you get the feeling we are on a deserted highway? Guess the truckers have been stopped at the weigh stations to check their "loads"
tee hee

[TommyDale]

While I might have been the first to mention it in a post, I am certainly not the first (by far) who hasn't noticed that the driver calling in on 911 was African-American. I don't think it is racist to point out that he might have a legitimate concern about waiting around the scene until the police arrived. Knowing how many blacks are stopped just for being black, I could certainly understand any concern.

We who live here know that I-95 is the mainline of drug traffic from Florida to New York City. That is common knowledge. Even if the driver was pure as the driven snow, I'm sure he didn't want to get involved beyond the phone call.

Personally, I think someone driving by and sees a crash (or a car in the water with lights on), I would automatically assume it just happened, and try to help and at least wait for rescue teams to find the scene. While he may think he was being helpful, obviously it wasn't because the car was not immediately found.

Having said all that, it still shouldn't have taken that long to find the car, with the 911 recording and the reports of a missing family. I would hope that law enforcement could add 2 + 2 better that they did.

[surfer]

http://www.wral.com/news/10519487/detail.html

Here is the link. There seems to be more than just the persons name redacted from the recording but I think the pertinent data points are there. I am just that familiar with the local roads (i.e. 64, etc) to make a proper assessment of the callers perceived location of the accident.

As far as being deserted you know how it goes...some people want to write posts that spin or otherwise move the discussion away from the brutal truth. Once the facts overwhelm their position they seem to disappear.

Hopefully things will be learned from this unfortunate situation and the process will be improved for all concerned - drivers wearing seatbelts, 911 collecting and following up with adequate information, searching to be thorough, etc...

Thanks for taking the time to research wish I could but I can't right now.

[surfer]

Thanks for the response. It clarifies things for me. Appreciate it.

Cute little phrase...driven snow...LOL

Yes I feel the same as you.

[sodpoodle]

This is excerpted from the WRAL URL. There is a traffic map available and if you zoom out I95 & Rte64 are clearly shown.

Looks like Mr. Rodgers was very accurate.
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Wayne Anthony Guay, 57, and Dianne Guay, 55, of Myrtle Beach, S.C., were found Monday inside their white Mazda in a swampy area located between mile markers 139 and 140 on I-95 in Nash County.

In a call to Nash County 911 shortly before 7:30 a.m. last Thursday, a passing motorist reported seeing a car drive off the interstate and into the water.
"I just passed exit 141 and in between where (U.S. Highway) 64 connects with 95 at exit 141. There is a car in the ditch," the caller said. "There's a car in the ditch. It's in the swamp area, lights on and everything."


The Highway Patrol, a rescue squad and the Nash County Sheriff's Department searched up and down I-95 from mile marker 138 to mile marker 141 but couldn't find anything.
"They were unable to locate (it), not seeing any evidence on the roadway of the crash or seeing off the roadway," said Lt. Everett Clendenin of the Highway Patrol.
The car was found four days later by a state Department of Transportation worker between mile markers 139 and 140 in a swamp area.

[surfer]

Can you provide a link to the traffic map?

Thanks. Great work...thanks for taking the time.

[surfer]

http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTExNmIycG51BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLWJ1dHRvbgRzbGsDbGluaw--#mvt=h&tp=1&tt=all&q3=36.010332,-77.865108&q2=35.989709,-77.873841&q1=35.986272,-77.875064&trf=0&lon=-77.870128&lat=35.998303&mag=3

That links displays a yahoo map with three coordinates placed on I95.

Point A is mile marker 138
Point B is the potential spot where the car was found
Point C is mile marker 141

Can anyone confirm if this is accurate?

Thanks.

[sodpoodle]

I couldn't pull up the yahoo map on my system. This is the WRAL traffic map that can be zoomed out.

http://www.wral.com/traffic/index.html



Sorry for the delay - I was called away.

[Howlin]

I'm only going to say this one more time: do not ping me again and do not talk about me again.

[woodbutcher]

I guess I am asking for a flame, but the NC Highway Patrol is pretty protective of their own so it is not surprising that their spokesman would say that the investigating officer followed procedures..

I said earlier that I think the family should lighten up. Maybe that was a poor choice of words. Maybe they should change their focus and go at it not from the standpoint of what happened to their Mom and Dad, but what can be done to be more efficient next time.

There are a lot of good people in the patrol, I am sure, but I am also aware of some really lowdown rotten mean ones.

If I recall correctly, there have been two patrol commanders, that is the very top officer, forced to resign in disgrace. The most notable being the one who had a warehouse in Fayetteville that was handling hot merchandise. He had junior patrol officers working in the warehouse unloading hot stuff.

I don't insinuate that they are all bad guys, rather I suspect that there is some way to keep whistle blowers quiet.

None of that has anything to do with this case other than it will take outside criticism to make changes.

To get a satisfactory examination of the facts in this case, someone whether it is FR or WRAL will have to make a lot of noise.

Flame away. Then we can talk about the Rodney King in reverse that happened within 5 miles of where I am sitting, etc.