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2008 Presidential Rundown
vanity | 11-8-06 | rodomila

Posted on 11/08/2006 4:58:08 PM PST by rodomila

George Allen is completely dead politically. He proved what I suspected - that he wasn't smart enough for the national spotlight.

Santorum would have been my first choice but his crushing defeat yesterday rules him out.

McCain is insane and a turncoat on taxes, judges and immigration. Many hard core Republicans, such as myself, would NEVER vote for him.

George W's phony, big government "conservatism" has poisoned the well for Jeb as Bush fatigue is now almost universal.

Hillary MUST BE STOPPED, but if I were a bookmaker I'd have to make her the odds on favorite.

So that leaves four possibilities for the good guys:

Condi Rice is a no go because she isn't sufficiently experienced. Frankly, I don't think she is up to the job and I think she would make Hillary competitive in the South which would be disastrous.

That leaves three sane guys right now with the name ID, credible experience and the brainpower to be Prez:

Newt Gingrich has the conservative bonafides but the media trashed him so badly in 1995 that, like Quayle, he probably can't win. He's also kind of fat and has an annoying, high pitched voice - two things that would hurt him in our superficial media dominated age. Also, the press would have a field day with his personal life.

Rudy has the brains and could be trusted to fight the war on terror. His pro-choice and pro-gay positions are definite downers for me, but would make the northeast competitive for Republicans and really throw a monkey wrench into the Hillary machine. He might be able to finesse these issues with the Republican right if he said social politics should be resolved at the state level and promised to name constructionist judges. He would also have to be solid on taxes, spending, immigration enforcement and economic growth. A little pow wow with Stephen Moore and Pat Toomey at Club for Growth should straighten him out.

The final, and I believe the best choice at the moment is Mitt Romney. I wish he wasn't a Mormon but he has the following going for him. He is running on the right - pro-gun, anti-abortion, pro-marriage etc. He will make us competitive everywhere. He is telegenic and articulate and so smooth on TV. He has been a phenomenally successful businessman. He has impeccable academic credentials. He is also the only Republican option who is still happily married to his first wife. There are those who will claim his record in Massachusetts is too liberal to be the Republican nominee. I would submit to you that politics is the art of the possible, and he did as much as he could do in that bluest of blue states. I for one will be delighted to have a candidate who can explain the issues who doesn't make me cringe during Presidential debates. We haven't had that since Reagan in 1984.

If not Mitt, who? And why? I would love to hear Freeper views if there is any other viable option I haven't considered.


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To: Ole Okie
I think whoever the Republicans nominate is very likely to be running against Osama Obama, not Hitlery.

Barak Hussein Osbama, that's who!

301 posted on 11/08/2006 6:35:06 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: PJ-Comix
Not "against" just for the Truth

post#138

302 posted on 11/08/2006 6:35:23 PM PST by apackof2 (They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care)
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To: albee
Rudy could select Condi Rice

I don't think that would be any good. Condi is to liberal(He needs someone to the right of him to balance the ticket)

303 posted on 11/08/2006 6:35:39 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Charles Henrickson

Understood. But strange times sometimes bring about strange results. There has never been a woman elected either (and God-willing there won't be one in '08 either)...


304 posted on 11/08/2006 6:36:12 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Proven highly competent leadership.


305 posted on 11/08/2006 6:36:26 PM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: KevinDavis
I have news for you.. There is no 100% conservative..

Big Jim McLaine is the exception to that rule.

306 posted on 11/08/2006 6:36:48 PM PST by PJ-Comix ( Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: kruelio

Steele's ok, but I can't imagine a better way for Rudy to quiet the social conservatives and get them on his side than to add Thomas to the ticket. That would end all concern over Judges etc...


307 posted on 11/08/2006 6:37:29 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Alberta's Child

2008 will (probably) be only the second Presidential election since 1948 where there will not be a Nixon, Dole, or Bush on the Republican ticket. Sixty years!!!

I changed my tagline last night because anything connected to GWB will get creamed in 2008 nationally, sad to say. Any candidate perceived to be "too religious" or "too radical right" will be painted as another GWB which will be a liability.

Rudy can't be connected to Bush or painted as a right-winger. He has already gone on record regarding SCOTUS picks. He can and will pull votes from blue states as well as red.

The 'Rats followed a strategery of running moderates and hiding their liberals. I think Rush is exactly wrong about what the Republican Party needs to do in 2008 -- running a very conservative candidate plays into Hillary's hands. In any case, who is out there that realistically is up to the job and very conservative?

Place Rudy at the top of the ticket and he'll run a moderate-to-conservative campaign strong on national security. He and Hillary will get all of the national media attention. Then put up our best candidates for winning in each state for Congress (conservative in red states, moderates in blue with some exceptions of course) and we could get back control of both houses at the latest in 2012.

If we lose the White House, we'll likely lose more ground in Congress and we could be out a long time.

Naturally, if we had Ronald Reagan we'd run him. We don't. Rudy is by far the best option.

As for McCain, his voting record is actually fairly conservative and strong on national security; his problem is that he is a political weasel that nobody trusts for a minute. He's about as electable as Jon Carry. He is a grandstander and not tempermentally suited to be President.

If not Rudy, who?

Giuliani 2008.


308 posted on 11/08/2006 6:37:59 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (RUDY!! RUDY!! RUDY!!)
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To: kruelio

I completely agree, kruelio. Giuliani is the way to go. He appeals to more people in all parts of the nation than anyone else. Like it or not. And, it's way better to have Rudy than to have any Democrat.


309 posted on 11/08/2006 6:38:20 PM PST by itslex71 (southern by birth, republican by the grace of my dad)
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To: middie
I'd leave home and stomp the campaign trail for John McCain, a classmate at The Yard (USNA)--just the type of tough, but smart, foreign policy advocate we need to compensate for the incompetent bunch we were foolish enough to elect and the, of all thing, re-elect.
Having sold the First Amendment down the river with McCain-Feingold, McCain is beloved of arrogant journalism. That love affair will last exactly as long as McCain is useful to the journalism establishment - that is, until he is running for president as the Republican standard bearer running against Hillary (or whoever). At the instant he got that nomination, McCain would cease being a cute "maverick" and instantly transform back into a member of the corrupt Keating Five.

McCain-Feingold purposes to eliminate independent voices such as your posting on FR in favor of regulated political ads and the hypertendentious "objective" journalists. And McCain admitted at the time it was passed that it would need to be "strengthened." IOW, your rights need to be reduced even further. I admire loyalty in a friend, but I'm sorry to say that your friend does not deserve political support from conservatives. He is a danger to the republic along with the rest of the journalism party (nearly all the rest of whom are Democrats).

Beyond which, McCain is a senator lacking in big time executive experience (very few senators have become president), and (since no one has attained the presidency without attaining national office within 14 years of attaining statewide office) McCain is overage in grade.

No sale.


310 posted on 11/08/2006 6:38:30 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: word_warrior_bob
So he should appeal to people who don't know how government works?

That's exactly what "compassionate conservatism" was all about -- and it's the only reason Bush won in 2000.

YOU have the power on your state level to do something about these issues, get a referendum on the ballot etc.

No, you don't. Every piece of state legislation I can remember that even attempted to curtail abortion in incremental ways has been challenged successfully in Federal courts and thrown out the window.

These things are SUPPOSED to be decided by the states, and they wind up in COURTS, so you can't have Hillary nominating judges.

Rudy is going to have zero credibility if this is the approach he takes -- twisting himself into a philosophical knot by suggesting that he's very much in favor of pushing for a Federal judiciary to support state actions to curtail something he has adamantly and proudly supported throughout his political career.

I would love a PURE CONSERVATIVE too, but if it's between Rudy and Hillary, I will be even more happy to vote for Rudy than I was for Bush because I know he won't waffle on the CONSERVATIVE issues he can actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT like Bush has.

Let's stop the "pure conservative" bullsh!t right now, because that a red herring in this case. If you were supporting a candidate whose track record is basically 70% conservative and 30% liberal, you'd have a good argument to make that seeking perfection is unrealistic and counterproductive.

Holding up someone whose conservative/liberal streak runs 10%-90% at best -- and then criticizing conservatives for insisting on "ideological purity" when they oppose him -- is a lot of crap.

311 posted on 11/08/2006 6:38:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Tuxedo
You need to do more research, a LOT more research!

Drier? Forget it!

Kasich? Old light in the loafers? LOL

312 posted on 11/08/2006 6:39:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: rodomila
I'm suspicious of anyone who touts Rudy as Presidential material and says Condi Rice doesn't have enough experience. Rudy did fine post 9-11, but in the end, he was just a mayor. Nothing at the national level. Condi has been in or involved in the federal government for years and has far more practical experience than Rudy.

Personally, I think Condi would give Hillary a run for her money. I'd pay cash money for those debates.

313 posted on 11/08/2006 6:41:32 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: Ole Okie
I've worked with a lot of Mormons over a number of years. I disagree heartily with their theology, but their emphasis on the family and clean living is truly admirable.

How do Mormons manage to look inhumanely clean cut? I can usually spot them in the distance because all non-Mormons around them look like slobs in comparison. I see a super clean cut looking teenager and I know right away it is a Mormon. Not meant as a criticism here, just an observation.

314 posted on 11/08/2006 6:41:59 PM PST by PJ-Comix ( Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Al Simmons
Being Mayor of NYC is a taller order than being Governor of half of the states . . .

Rudy Giuliani's predecessor as Mayor of New York City was David "The Men's Room Attendant" Dinkins, who may well have been the most incompetent public official since Nero. Giuliani was succeeded by Michael Bloomberg -- a modern-day totalitarian Nazi if there ever was one.

Anyone who thinks the mayoralty of New York City is a good proving ground for presidential candidates is being silly.

315 posted on 11/08/2006 6:42:42 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Vision

NEVER!


316 posted on 11/08/2006 6:43:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: apackof2
Ahhhhh, well that is more of a concern now, isn't it?

Not to most of the voters in this country, it isn't.

317 posted on 11/08/2006 6:43:26 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: kruelio
Better yet, Giuliani and Steele.

Steele is perfectly suited to be a great Veep nominee in a campaign. That ticket would scare the crustiness out of the pantsuit.

318 posted on 11/08/2006 6:44:13 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (RUDY!! RUDY!! RUDY!!)
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To: jeltz25

We need Thomas to stay in the Supreme Court. His role there is too great, IMHO.


319 posted on 11/08/2006 6:44:47 PM PST by kruelio
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To: Hildy
NEVER Mitt...they'll kill him on the Mormon thing. It won't happen.

Well he was elected in Irish-Catholic Massachusetts and anti-Mormanism displayed by the Dems would be used to his advantage.

320 posted on 11/08/2006 6:46:21 PM PST by torchthemummy (We Are Still The Adults-They Are Still The Children.)
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