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I was going to post the text of the license itself, but I've configured my router to drop all packets to/from any microsoft domain. :-)

1 posted on 10/12/2006 6:14:07 PM PDT by zeugma

Anybody ever invoked the warranty for Windows?

2 posted on 10/12/2006 6:17:47 PM PDT by D-fendr

I'm not going to have to worry about this because I've decided not to buy any new copies of operating systems from Microsoft. After all, if I really, really, need one, I can do what used to be allowed and transfer one of my old licenses to a new machine.

I can't imagine why a "typical user" will ever want to get Vista. Microsoft will force manufacturers to start installing it on computers, so users will end up with it regardless of what they want.

3 posted on 10/12/2006 6:18:59 PM PDT by mhx

With my original XP home, I have had to call microsoft for a new validation code three times after installing new hardware in the same computer. The last time I added a DVR drive and had to call them - for what I consider a minor upgrade. Reading your post above makes me think that any major hardware upgrades will cause Vista Home to stop functioning.

Without there being a compelling reason to upgrade, I will stick with XP.

8 posted on 10/12/2006 6:25:08 PM PDT by Abby4116

OK, please tell me what virtual machine is.

Also, when is the basic Vista an upgrade? From Windows XP, or do they mean from another Vista system?

And finally, how do you transfer the operating system from one computer to another?

10 posted on 10/12/2006 6:25:22 PM PDT by Williams

Anybody ever invoked the warranty for Windows?

Sure, and Microsoft will fix any problem free of charge... and they will deliver that fix to you in the next version that you purchase.

11 posted on 10/12/2006 6:26:14 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)

Of course, as we all know, there will be no glitches in the "validation" process. Resulting in legal owners spending hours and $$ trying to get MS to re-enable their *legally purchased* software.

I guess MS will reimburse your losses (work, work time, sales etc.) that will take place while you spend hours and days begging to get your *legally purchased* software turned back on.
/major sarc

A FREE tube in every new box of Vista.........

12 posted on 10/12/2006 6:27:34 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)

I guess the fact you cannot VM the home editions will sort of make the Virtual PC virtually useless.

Thankfully I am running just about every other OS under VMWare. Though I will get Vista through my MSDN subscription, I am going to say "to hell with Vista" just like I said "to hell" with Microsoft Mobile 5.0. That piece of junk was nothing more than a downgrade from the previous version.

13 posted on 10/12/2006 6:28:36 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)

I'm running SimplyMEPIS on my Thinkpad T23 notebook. It installed all my hardware, including the Winmodem, that I'm using right now.

Plus, Synaptic makes it simple to install just about anything you could possibly want.

I have no idea why anyone would purchase Vista, when Linux has become so damned useable.

14 posted on 10/12/2006 6:29:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)

I'll never use this operating system, ever. No computer on my network where I work will be caught dead with this! I can just imagine a call at 3AM over a workststation that has been hosed because of a validation check gone bad.

15 posted on 10/12/2006 6:29:07 PM PDT by KoRn

16 posted on 10/12/2006 6:29:23 PM PDT by KoRn

Microsoft Vista

The NEXT Windows ME

17 posted on 10/12/2006 6:30:13 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Prayers to the Lidle family)

Elsewhere in the license, Microsoft forbids users from installing Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium in a virtual machine.

In other words, Microsoft doesn't want Mac owners to use those versions of Vista.

21 posted on 10/12/2006 6:38:25 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)

The only way to stop Microsoft is to refuse to by this crap.
So don't buy it. Call Dell or whoever and have them spend 15 minutes on the phone telling you all about there computer. Then just say to them....Sorry....I don't want windows vista. No sale.

24 posted on 10/12/2006 7:03:07 PM PDT by Revel

I'll get Vista when I upgrade. Probably sometime next spring.

27 posted on 10/12/2006 7:15:22 PM PDT by Echo Talon

from installing Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium in a virtual machine. "You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system,"

And why the hell not? Talentless Redmond wankers!

I think they're afraid that people will go for the option of running Mac OS for most everything, and then finding the cheapest way possible to run Vista at the same time, through Parallels or VMWare for corporate-IT created corporate-crapware.

30 posted on 10/12/2006 7:43:23 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)

If XP ever becomes unusable for me, I guess I'll finally get on the Linux bandwagon.

35 posted on 10/12/2006 8:43:02 PM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)

52 posted on 10/14/2006 4:52:40 PM PDT by Babu

Here is what I am concerned about. And maybe there is no cause for concern, I'm not sure.

I am concerned when the MS License which is here:
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vista_Home%20Premium_English_66716c9b-88ec-4a8b-bf56-31a72651b7a3.pdf

When it talks about "DEVICE". The word device occurs 67 times in that license.

Here are some of the interesting ones:

1) "b. License Model. The software is licensed on a per copy per device basis."

2) "2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the “licensed device.” A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device."

3) "a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device. You may use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time. Except as provided in the Storage and Network Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on any other device."

Two Processors, hmmmm, interesting....

A better analogy would be if I on seperate occasions replace my Processor and Motherboard. (Does that now constitute a new Device?)

And then Two months later, I buy a DX10 Vid card, and new Sound card. (Does that now constitute a new device which requires a new License purchase?) And does that new purchase require a Full Version or Upgrade License fee?

Or what if you keep your Motherboard, say a 939 Socket Board, and then you buy a New faster Processor Chip for the same board. Is that now a New Device or constitute your second use?

Or what if I upgrade to Vista, then two months later buy a new 350gb Hard Drive, and want to get rid of my old 80gb Hard Drive altogether. Would that constitute a New device?

I feel they need to clarify this definition as it is somehwat convoluted.

In all honesty, I've reactivated my WinXP I think 4 times, twice by Telephone, and in all cases while inconvenient, it wasn't that big of a deal.

My Concern is what the definition and ramifications of upgrades are within my system, and well, what are the triggers as it relates to their version of the word "DEVICE", right?

So what are the triggers?

Hard Drive
Motherboard and Processor
Processor on same MB
Vid Card
Sound Card
DVD Drive

Things to ponder specific to this license agreement.

Regards,
Joe

53 posted on 10/15/2006 1:54:19 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")

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