Posted on 09/14/2006 8:54:15 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972
Well, well..
Hopefully we are all here together and we can sit down to have a little chat.
Recently there has been reported in the news several stories about MoveOn.org's prejudice against the Jewish people.
I, among most of our Freeper audience, of course deplore this attitude and see it for what it is, the beginning of the same prejudices that were seen during the Second World War
At any point that the Jewish people are demonized, we need to be concerned, take note and realize the situation that we are in, take sides and Fight the Good Fight.
I however also deplore some whom are amongst us whom seem to think that it is acceptable to apply that same hatred and prejudice against the Islamic population as a whole.
Example: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677375/posts
At certain times in history we as a civilized Republic are asked to make choices and decide how we will react as a Moral Nation to thase whom wish us harm.
We can either react like some of our Fore Fathers did and start up the prison camps (Japanese Americans), take away their rights and debase ourselves for our future generations, or we can fight the real enemy, IslamoFacism, and not pin every follower of Islam under the same light and IN FACT make all of Islam our enemy by our own choice.
I am neither naive nor stupid enough to believe that those that practice Islam have done enough on their own part to distance themselves from the radicals nor have they done enough to publicly denigrate those among them that follow the path of Radical Islam.
Nevertheless, it is not contingent upon them to do so for us to act in an appropriate manner.
WE DO NOT LET THEM DICTATE OUR MORALITY.
We are the followers of our religions and we bear the responsibility for those actions and what we do In His Name.
I do not mean that we should hold back in war, let the Generals decide what is appropriate reaction on the battlefield, that’s their job. If it takes firebombing an entire city to get them to have a "Change of Heart", so be it.
A soldier’s duty on the battlefield, however, does not dictate how we react as a society to prejudice, in whatever nasty form it comes in.
We do not blame children for learning from their teachers that 2 + 2 = 5, nor should we blame all of the Islamic society for the radicalism taught by madmen in their midst to their children.
We as Christians (sorry for generalizing) have many atrocities in our own past history to be ashamed of, we grew out of it and now are trying to pass that learning on to others.
We can not expect to teach the great values of our society if we are also damning them all to hell, doesn’t work all that well.
Saying that “All the Muslims Are to Blame" is just as bad as saying that "All the JEEWWWWSSSS are to blame"
thanks. Sieg Heil Mohammad!
What I was originally commenting on was the reactions by some here on the board of the "Kill them all" and let God sort them out mentality
On this you are of course correct. In fact that mentality is precisely the opposite of my position. We hold individuals, not groups, responsible. A religion, no matter how repulsive it may be to some, is neither a race nor is it a political organization, but something different, in a category all its own. It appeals to emotions, not logic, to the spiritual, not the material. Yet one CHOOSES to become part of that religion, so when one commits an atrocity, the perpetration is the sin, not being part of a religion.
At the same time, we cannot be willfully ignorant of what certain religions, or religious figures, are teaching anymore than we can ignore what military leaders are telling their soldiers, just because we want to be nice people. We owe it to our children and to the memories of those who founded this nation to preserve it using all legal means against actual, not imagined, enemies. Just because someone worships the same way a terrorist does doesn't make them a terrorist, anymore than a pro-lifer is one with the killer who shot abortion clinic doctors.
We have to deal justice to the actual perpetrators of crimes; hate or hateful thoughts about the US are not crimes. But we can't deny that new cliche that all Muslims aren't terrorists, but the terrorists we're dealing with are Muslims--that's just the truth, no matter how it makes one feel.
Yes indeed ...... and along those lines, you have mail.
:-)
I'm sure that was a great comfort to those who were tortured and put to death in Christ's name.
But your main point stands---Christendom's 'Taliban' phase ran its course over 200 years ago. I don't believe we have the luxury of waiting for the Islamists to be transformed by an Enlightenment of their own.
I share your fear about the possibility that our reaction to what the Islamic fascist does to us, and our friends and allies, may lead to moral decay in our society to the point that nobody wins, even though the enemy is vanquished. In other words, the price was too high.
This could actually happen. Should we be forced, after years of fighting to use our full compliment of weapons against them, our sense of morality will certainly suffer badly and perhaps be changed forevermore.
I think it is wise to do everything we can to promote a stage where this religion can be brought into the mainstream family of religions.
I have taken on a lot of grief for even suggesting that Islam has any redeeming qualities to keep, but I make this argument in response.
There are at minimum, 1.2 Billion adherents, and most of the troubled areas are in the middle east. The entire Islamic world is not at present, engaging in aberrant behavior and warfare however. Not by a long shot.
To advocate ramping up our abilities to kill them in sizable numbers, would negate any possible chance of avoiding the terrible alternative of what would be the eradication of a people, or genocide. I don't think our moral backbone could survive something like that, even though justification was possible.
At present we are trying our best to start the seeds of reformation by providing a place where a Islamic country can finally become more than what it is. To finally begin the move from a backward society that has barely moved forward for 500 years, to the modern 21st century.
This will take a lot of time. More than than, months, years, or a couple decades. It will take whatever time it takes, but once begun, it will be very difficult for the radicals to stop the progress. We are not there yet, but there is progress toward that beginning or reformation.
I intend to remain as positive as I can be, but also understanding how difficult a task this is, and how it may not work at all. If we end up at the alternative, and are required to destroy them before they destroy us, it will be a easy decision to make. But the cost to us will be very high indeed. We could destroy the very thing that differentiates Americans from the rest of the world's rabble of cultures. This I believe is the reason you made this post. I see it too.
I think it is worth retaining some hope and promise that the Islamic world can change. But we can never take that final solution off the table. We know that they are not very responsive to friendly overtures as a general rule, but we know that some do. We know that they capitalize on our desire to help, and view this as a weakness, but some do thank us for the efforts and understand the stakes. We know that many are working with us and not against us.
We need to keep trying until we can no longer see any other alternative.
The trick is to keep your head until you can discern the difference. The way things are going time of discerning will no longer be on our side. I trust NO Muslim.
Is this liberal revisionist history talking or is this fact? Care to expound?
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Quite a long trailer, huh?
Thanks, man I have wanted to see that since Glenn talked about it this mourning.
What did you think?
You're welcome. BTS rold me about it.
I am watching it again.
If we all here in America don't understand what is in "Obsession" ........ we just may very well be "mourning".
Indoctrinating the school children. Unconscionable.
I have to go outside and work with the plants.
2:40 in the morning is a great time to work out in the nursery................. so quiet and beautiful.
Be well............ please. (I always feel like a need to add "please" because "Be well" sounds like a command, rather than a request, to me.) ----
Sort of like the difference between "God Bless America" and "May God Bless America".
;-)
Yes......... just think how many of those little ones are going to go out and destroy this world in the next decade or so. I don't really see how they can be stopped.
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