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Posted on 09/07/2006 10:11:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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Is there any proof that the Arabs were there first? I thought the Arabs were from the Iraq area, and didn't make it to the area of Judea for a while, possibly after the arrival of Abraham. Were the Canaanites, Philitines, etc considered Arabic peoples?
The Quran is a nothing more than a blueprint for world domination couched in religious terms.
Islam is too be on top and not be dominated.
The people in the Levant signed the Dhimmi contract with the Arabs way back in the 7th century.
This contract was broken by the Zionists who took the land and made Islam and Muslims subordinate to the Jews.
This is the conflict.
Now, mix into that the confusion over land ownership dating back to the 1800's. The Ottoman's needing money for their wars with Europe, invoked heavy taxes on the local population, who sold their land to the effendis (absentee landlords usually living in Syria) to avoid the taxes. Effendis sell the land to the Zionists. The farmer never stopped seeing the land as his.
Then you have to add in their the Palestinian Arab definition of homeland. It is not the West Bank or Gaza, it is the village where he lived.
Many of those villages were lost in the War of Independence, but to the Palestinians, those lands and those farms (whether they were sold to the effendis or not) are still belong to them.
The Jews, after being totally abandoned by the West in Hitler's ovens, decided that if European governments will not protect them, then they will return to the land of their fathers (a land always close to their hearts) and defend themselves. To the Israelis, this little piece of land is the only place they can live in peace. By that I mean that here they are able to defend themselves because the world had proven (and I include the US in that) that when push comes to shove, the Jews are abandoned.
Bernard Lewis wrote: It was Israel’s stunning victory over the Arabs in 1967 that forever blew away the stereotype of the frightened victim, to be destroyed, abandoned, pitied, and rescued at the discretion of those more fortunate than he, as circumstances might dictate.
The Jews have a fortress mentality totally justified by history that they are alone.
So, you have Islam versus survival. Islam says to the Jew that we must rule you as Allah dictated. You have the Jews saying, "never again."
And you have a bunch of us in the U.S. saying "Amen."
Interesting. I was unaware of those details about a Dhimmi contract.
Even though I'm disposed to accept Israel's case that they likely are the oldest historical "owners" of the territory, my take on the matter has changed. There's more to it than just "who got there first". For one thing, even completely fair "ownership" changes easily and often, and the Holy Lands more often than most. It takes me a minute to come up with an empire that ~didn't~ at one time or another have a reasonably enforceable title to the place.
But life and time and tide is not necessarily about "fair". Sometimes it is about right and wrong, and there is a difference.
Fifty to maybe a hundred years ago, the so-called "Palestinian" cause might have had an articulable case and reasonable people might have given a sympathetic ear. Maybe even me.
But that's all gone now. A side that professes and countenances the intentional targeting of innocents-- that straps explosives to a child, and sends that child into a busy pizza parlor for the express purpose of shredding the children of the other side-- that side ~must~ lose whatever argument they make.
It is morally imperative that certain methods and intents are so thoroughly barbaric that they must not ever be granted success, nomatter the origin of their claim. They've become by their own profession no more than parasites on the human condition. They must now lose-- and lose utterly.
My .02 :-)
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave :~)
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We still like ya. Fwiw.
Don't read any other threads, don't turn on the tv, don't check your email. Catch up on Lost and maybe some other mindless show (or not mindless... didja ever see Firefly?)
That's so wrong I don't even know where to start.
I'm alright. Just needed to vent. I almost didn't listen to his speech, and wish I hadn't. What an arrogant SOB.
That said, thanks for the recommendation for a new show to watch. But, I gots my hands full.
Oh... dear me. Did she kill him?
Okay, this is annoying.
I had no trouble getting to Google images today at work. I can get to every other Google link (video, news, maps). But the image page won't load.
I'm figuring it's something here. But I don't know what to look for.
Thoughts?
No...just drugged him and ran off again, after informing him that she wasn't *really* the sweet gal she'd been pretending to be, and so she had to go.
It was sad and wrong and stuff.
All three flashlights shown use two CR123 lithium batteries. These batteries are expensive (except in the quantities we've been buying them), but put out a brighter light than the old 6-D-cell "cop light". As you can see, they are quite compact, and you can now conveniently carry a powerful flashlight with you anywhere.
The top light is the Pelican PM6, a xenon-lamp model. It's a steal at the $20 we get it for. The bottom two lights are LED flashlights. LEDs are more expensive, but you get 10x the battery life, and 1000x the lamp life of an incandescent bulb. They're also machined from solid aluminum, and are quite substantial in construction. They both have one-inch body diameters, and can be mounted on weapons.
What really sets them apart is the performance, and the price. The Gladius is considered the Rolls Royce of compact LED lights, and with a list price of $250 (street price of $190), it ought to be. The onboard computer switches modes when you twist the black ring to various settings, including a very neat fuction that lets you dim the LED down to almost nothing by holding in the button.
But the most important feature is the strobe setting. In that mode, pressing the button gives you a seven-flash-a-second strobe light. When used on someone whose eyes are already adapted to the dark, this is quite disorienting and confusing, and can buy you several seconds of valuable time.
The Lightsaver has a street price of $80, which is not out of line for machined-aluminum LED lights that can be mounted on a weapon. ("golden age" flashlights do not come cheap). The one important feature it has is a strobe function, just as the more expensive Gladius has. Push the button to turn it on, push to turn off. Push and hold the button, and you get the strobe function.
If anyone here is interested, let me know, and maybe we can get together a group buy. I have my source for good prices on both the Pelican and Lightsaver, and bulk-purchase CR123 batteries for about $1.50 each, which is much cheaper than you can get them for in a camera or office depot store.
You can't carry a 6-D "cop light" with you everywhere, but you can carry one of these babies. I have one in my briefcase, and one in my truck. The old MagLite has been retired to a closet.
If I'm not mistaken, and JEB, correct me if I'm wrong, when the UN created Israel, it also offered the Palestians a state, but the Arabs were SO against a homeland for the Jews that they rejected a homeland for the Palestinians, too.
So in order to try to screw the Jews, they screwed the Palestinians as well, and have continued to do so since then. The Arab nations scared the poor Palestinians into thinking they'd all be murdered in their beds by the evil Jews, so they fled their homes. Unfortunately, those same Arabs refused to take them into their countries, confining them to the Gaza, and built refugee camps for them, leaving them in squalor in order to raise a generation of terrorists bent on Israel's destruction.
Jes trying to be hepful. ;o)
The palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
[Golda Meir, I think]
:-)
Groovy Mister Mag...
But you'd have to pry my maglite out of my cold, dead fingers. :-)
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