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The Hobbit Hole XXXI - Mawwage is what bwings us togethew today!
http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ ^ | Sept 7 2006

Posted on 09/07/2006 10:11:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Mawwage is what bwings us togethew today!

New verse:

Upon the hearth the fire is red,
Beneath the roof there is a bed;
But not yet weary are our feet,
Still round the corner we may meet
A sudden tree or standing stone
That none have seen but we alone.
Tree and flower and leaf and grass,
Let them pass! Let them pass!
Hill and water under sky,
Pass them by! Pass them by!

Still round the corner there may wait
A new road or a secret gate,
And though we pass them by today,
Tomorrow we may come this way
And take the hidden paths that run
Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe,
Let them go! Let them go!
Sand and stone and pool and dell,
Fare you well! Fare you well!

Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We’ll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!

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To: RosieCotton
I like your suggestions. What I do is usually work it out in my head first. I work out every detail. Mostly, if my characters (as I have written them) would react that way. (For the novel I am working on now, I'm using real people, so that is a must) If there are holes, then either I erase or I go back to the text and fix it.

The second thing I do is I write dialogue. For me, dialogue takes on a life of its own. I write things that I never thought about before, and dialogue is easier to write than description.

I have to ask...did the Toaster of Doom use llamas to do his dirty work? What kind of dirty work would llamas do?

Did you ever see the Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin discovers the toaster. He puts the bread it, pushes the lever, the toast pops out. Hobbes says that its a neat trick. Calvin looks in the slot "yeah, but where did the bread go?"

4,141 posted on 10/31/2006 12:04:10 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Go back and do your duty as I have done mine. I would rather die than be whipped!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
I am really bad about planning things out. Being an engineer I like to have all the little meaningless details figured out. Since I like scifi that means inventing everything there is to invent about that universe. Most of which does not really matter. And the more I think about it the more the details drift and change here and there. Just enough that I feel like I am never ready to start writing. So I really needed nano to show me how to 'just do it' and loosen my grip on the nitpicking. Now I prefer to basically stock up enough ammo and a 'good enough' map. So I know where I am headed (the big plot) and I have enough bullets (plot points, twists, characters, settings, etc) to shoot along the way but I don't have to have inch by inch maps and a footstep-by-footstep plan of how I get there.

I still need a ton more writing experience so take it all with a grain of salt. For me thought NANO was just what I needed.
4,142 posted on 10/31/2006 12:17:40 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
Now if I could just learn to type and proof as I go...
4,143 posted on 10/31/2006 12:18:26 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
How exciting that you get to create your own world. Kind of like Middle Earth!

I always found the hardest part of writing was the first few paragraphs...in a chapter or in a change of scenery. Anything like that.

I wonder how many writers have more than a "good enough" map when they start. I bet not that many. I have the outline of my novel in a notebook, so I basically know how it ends and all the highpoints...but my favorite parts are the parts I didn't even imagine before I started.

I don't know about you, but I discover characters take on lives of their own and demand to be written, so that changes the story as well.

You start in about two hours then, right? At midnight?

4,144 posted on 10/31/2006 12:25:46 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Go back and do your duty as I have done mine. I would rather die than be whipped!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart; TalonDJ

I do a lot of imagining stuff in my head, too - in the car, as I'm getting ready in the morning, as I'm wandering around... I'll imagine scenes that may not even make it into the story, but that give me a better feel for the characters. Also makes for a good way to entertain oneself while waiting for appointments and such. ;-) But there are times when I just get stuck, and that's when the other methods come into play.

Heh...you know you've been thinking about your characters a bit too much when you're in church and start thinking "I really should pray for [Character] - he's been having a rough week..."

Yes, the Toaster did use llamas. He trained them as ninjas, with the help of a devious laptop and some really lousy movies.


4,145 posted on 10/31/2006 12:27:12 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Ninja llamas...that is imagination at its best! LOL funny!

Right now...I wish I could jump into the middle of my novel and live with the characters. I like them all so much.

When I get stuck, I have learned just to wait and the next part will come. (but then I don't have a month's time limit to write 50,000 words either)

4,146 posted on 10/31/2006 12:31:05 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Go back and do your duty as I have done mine. I would rather die than be whipped!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
I wonder how many writers have more than a "good enough" map when they start. I bet not that many. I have the outline of my novel in a notebook, so I basically know how it ends and all the highpoints...but my favorite parts are the parts I didn't even imagine before I started.

I can't outline. Just doesn't work. I'll stick with it for the first few pages, and then suddenly things go out of control. It's laughable, going back and reading the original plot summary or outline for a story I've been working on for a while. It's like the original message got horribly mangled in transmission.

My characters just don't behave properly. They act totally contrary to the original plot.

Midnight isn't for more than eleven hours here. Most of the other Hobbit Hole NaNoWriMoers are a few hours ahead of that - so it'll be eight or nine or so hours for them.

4,147 posted on 10/31/2006 12:45:51 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart; JenB

As I recall...ninja llamas were Jen's idea.

I can't explain it.


4,148 posted on 10/31/2006 12:46:29 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm sorry, I forgot...I am 7 hours ahead of you.

Stories do have a way of doing that! Getting out of control.

Well, it is time for me to go to bed, so with that I will say Lila tov! (or good night in Hebrew)

4,149 posted on 10/31/2006 12:56:34 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Go back and do your duty as I have done mine. I would rather die than be whipped!)
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To: RosieCotton

Sometimes, you just can't explain it. But it sounds really funny. You will have to tell me your plot for this year.


4,150 posted on 10/31/2006 12:57:30 PM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Go back and do your duty as I have done mine. I would rather die than be whipped!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
9 hours to midnight here. I will probably get up early and start writing in the morning before work. Last year I was often able to get half a days word count in with breakfast.
JenB is my wife (of almost 2 months now, we met here on freerepublic) and we will probably both try to get a start first thing in the morning.

Actually the ninja llamas are traceable to their beginnings on a Anime Iowa convention forum thread involving a college buddy of mine (who totally failed at nano last year and is going to try again this year). Since then they have sort of taken on a life of their own as the 'ninja llamas from the future'.

We had a challenge last year to work certain common elements into our stories. Such as characters with certain names, objects or the ninja llamas. I think Rosie was on of the few that got almost all of them in there. I only managed a couple of the items myself.
4,151 posted on 10/31/2006 1:02:24 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: RosieCotton

I don't trust those toasters...

I'm going with a wizard/court intrigue theme this year. I suppose someone could invent a magic toaster.

And I can have the interdimensional ninja llamas from last year break through to kick and spit some sense into everybody...

I kinda like the cat with the agenda, though.


4,152 posted on 10/31/2006 1:50:05 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: JenB; Overtaxed; Lil'freeper; TalonDJ; Rose in RoseBear; RosieCotton
One day to NaNo. Eeep.


4,153 posted on 10/31/2006 1:59:52 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: RosieCotton
Last year I had a badger named Guido.

It was a very strange year.

It sure was. Most badgers are named Bob.

4,154 posted on 10/31/2006 2:13:08 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: Corin Stormhands

T minus 8 hours and counting.


4,155 posted on 10/31/2006 2:15:19 PM PST by JenB (0/50,000 - www.nanowrimo.org)
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To: 300winmag; RosieCotton; JenB

Guido ran a funeral home in my story last year.

I'm gonna try this, but I'm not committing to writing anything until after the election.


4,156 posted on 10/31/2006 2:42:25 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I will be watching your election with great interest.

/signing off


4,157 posted on 10/31/2006 2:54:43 PM PST by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

It's sure been a fun day on the campaign trail. :-)


4,158 posted on 10/31/2006 3:01:23 PM PST by Ramius
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To: RosieCotton; Overtaxed
We haven't seen this in a while...
4,159 posted on 10/31/2006 3:15:20 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Day 166 (counting up))
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To: Corin Stormhands

Sounds pretty wise to me. You've a lot on your plate right now.


4,160 posted on 10/31/2006 3:25:48 PM PST by JenB (0/50,000 - www.nanowrimo.org)
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