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How about answers and no details?
One suspect, Reade Seligmann, has what appears to be a powerful alibi, based on a cellphone log and other records that show he left the party early.
"What appears to be a powerful alibi"? Yeah, I would say the cell-phone log, a taxi cab log, and security cam footage in multiple locations of a prime suspect during the time that he's supposedly doing this awful stuff "appears" to be pretty powerful. Try airtight.
Finally, no one, not even the second dancer at the party, has corroborated the rape charge
No reason for the NYT to devote more than half a sentence to that tiny little detail. No agenda here. /sarc
NY Slimes trying to put the best face on things.
They would dearly love to lynch these three white devils who brutally beat and raped this mother of two, B-student, Navy veteran, woman of color who only one time after a "dance" had consensual sex with a customer but who is not a "ho," but unfortunately that incompetent Nifong and Gottlieb have given them little to work with!
Well, there's always the "OJ Jury" scenario to hope for.
As little respect as I have for the lying thieving bunch of politicians that occupy elected offices, I have even less respect for the judiciary. If they are not putting border guards in jail, they are allowing a less than common ho to put three innocent young men on trial, all because she was a known nut case who spun this story to keep from going to a detention center where she belonged.
Of course their was swelling. She was an escort for gods sake. She had sex for money. A cheap tramp.
The DA and the lying skank deserve each other....
When this is over - the boys will OWN Durham and most of North Carolina...
The DA is sure dragging his feet on getting to trial.
What the hell is the hold up?
Hell they have the "victim", several versions of the "crime" and all the "perps" identified.
Why the DELAY??????
Semper Fi
Reading between the lines, it appears that Gottlieb's more 'extensive' written notes could have been written on July 16th.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1684229/posts?page=888#888
HERE you GO!
Finnerty was NOT included in two Police lineups given prior to the well known 4/4 lineup.
IF GOTTLIEB NOTED ONE OF HER ATTACKERS WAS TALL and SKINNY, WHY WASN'T THE TALLEST SKINNY KID ON THE TEAM PUT IN EITHER OF THOSE LINEUPS ?
BUSTED !!!!
888 posted on 08/25/2006 4:00:11 AM EDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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Re: NYT article
Question: When was the SANE report subpeonaed?
On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.
But the sergeant's case notes also recount what the nurse told him in response to his questions: that the woman appeared to be in so much pain that it took "an extended period of time" to examine her, and that the "blunt force trauma" seen in the examination "was consistent with the sexual assault that was alleged by the victim."
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Inconsistencies:
"The victim was at home alone with her two young children," the sergeant wrote, noting she walked slowly and in obvious pain. "Her facial expressions conveyed her pain as she ambulated." She sat so neither hip touched the sofa. "Anytime her bottom touched the sofa cushion while repositioning during our interview, she groaned and had a facial expression consistent with pain."
During that interview, the woman, who is dark skinned, said bruises were beginning to show from the attack. A female officer took photographs and confirmed that "she had the onset of new bruises present," Sergeant Gottlieb wrote. (The female officer's report does not mention bruises.)
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In Officer Himan's handwritten notes, the woman described all three as chubby or heavy. Adam: "white male, short, red cheeks fluffy hair chubby face, brn." Matt: "Heavy set short haircut 260-270." Bret: "Chubby." The descriptions in Sergeant Gottlieb's notes are more detailed and correspond more closely to the men later arrested: Collin Finnerty, 20, a slender 6-foot-3 and 175 pounds with light hair; Mr. Evans, 23, 5-foot-10, 190 pounds and with dark hair; and Mr. Seligmann, 20, who is 6-foot-1 and 215 pounds with dark hair.
Sergeant Gottlieb wrote: "She described the three men as 1) W/M, young, blonde hair, baby faced, tall and lean, 2) W/M, medium height (5'8"+ with Himan's build), dark hair medium build, and had red (rose colored) cheeks, and the third suspect as being a W/M, 6+ feet, large build with dark hair." //
Interesting: Drug dealer and runaway She had filed the complaint when she was 18, telling the police in Creedmoor, N.C., that four years earlier, her then-boyfriend and two of his friends had raped her when she was a runaway and helping them sell drugs. She told the Durham police that a friend had encouraged her to report her secret so she could hold the men accountable and move on with her life.
889 posted on 08/25/2006 4:22:34 AM EDT by maggief
the times is so disfunctional now that a case like this actually matters to their agenda not to mention the democratic party.
The third and final photo identification session occurred on April 4. Mr. Nifong suggested to the investigators that they show the woman pictures of all 46 white lacrosse players — taken 12 days before — and ask if she remembered seeing each one at the party and if so, what he had been doing. About 30 players had been at the party.
Sergeant Gottlieb showed the woman each picture for a minute. The full transcript shows some precise recollections, three weeks after a relatively brief encounter with a large group of white strangers.
The third man pictured “was sitting on couch in front of TV,” the woman said. The fourth “looked like Bret but I’m not sure.” The fifth “looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.” How sure was she? Sergeant Gottlieb asked. “He looks just like him without the mustache,” the woman said. Ninety percent sure.
This was Mr. Evans. His lawyers and family say he has never had a mustache.
The sixth picture she did not recognize. The seventh “looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.” Asked how sure she was, the woman said 100 percent and described what he had done. This was Mr. Seligmann.
Another student was standing outside talking, the woman told the police. Two others were drinking in the bedroom. Another wore khaki shorts. She said the person in one picture was the one who had given her the $400; this was proved accurate. Another was sitting in the kitchen, another outside, talking; one was sitting in the front row during the dance; another sitting on the couch watching TV; another made the broomstick comment; two of them she remembered yelling excitedly during the dance; and another, she said, was the third man who had assaulted her.
So what do we know about Duff Wilson and Jonathan D. Glater, the two assassins who wrote this tripe? Typical NY Times crap.
MSNBC coming up with report on Duke LAX at 11:45 am!!
Gottlieb's notes, according to the Times, were typed, with little or no hand-written material.
The Times' conclusion: should the notes be treated with suspicion? No: The notes show that there is a "more ambiguous picture" than the defense suggested; "it shows that while there are big weaknesses in Mr. Nifong's case, there is also a body of evidence to support his decision to take the matter to a jury."
Goittlieb's notes, of course, didn't exist when Nifong took the case even to the grand jury. In a case where typed notes turned in months after the fact contradict items produced in a timely fashion; and when those notes amount to the only evidence the state possesses (as the Times makes clear), perhaps a wee bit of journalistic skepticism is in order?
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I would ask our readers to do this service...for Collin, Reade and Dave.
Hold your nose and jump into those hell-holes of hate and post a word of reason and support for the boys.
Be sure to leave them links to this blog [Liestoppers] and our comrades in the blogosphere listed to your right.
We've seen blogs bring down the mighty before. We're waiting here, you NYT propaganda puppets.
BRING IT ON.
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And just what hell-hole is she speaking of? This one! --