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Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers
NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

Posted on 08/24/2006 8:01:43 PM PDT by Perdogg

DURHAM, N.C. — On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; nifong; nifongery
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To: muawiyah
I seriously doubt the AV knows the difference between right and wrong, but she's otherwise generally non-violent and living in a family setting, albeit a poor one.

Yeah other than the time she tried to run over a cop with a stolen car she hasn't been that violent.

201 posted on 08/25/2006 6:18:33 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: abb

I don't think it would be at all legal or ethical to allow only local reporters and not national. Freedom of the press means ALL the press!


202 posted on 08/25/2006 6:20:04 PM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: Ken H

everything they said matched what came out LATER. I dont know why NY Times is blind to this point. Why can't they compare statements made in advance that match actual evidence (the DNA) to the credibility of statements written afterwards that don't match. Gottlieb did what defendants normally do, having heard what happened, they try to weave a tale and find it does not fit.

The whole thing continues to sicken me.


203 posted on 08/25/2006 6:23:31 PM PDT by streeeetwise
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To: abb
Someone needs to translate this one for me...

Ok, I will take a stab at translating it:

1. I, Kirsten Bulter am not very smart.

2. I was however raised to be PC and that has served me well in polite society.

3. This case has confused me as it seems the white males athletes are being railroaded maybe and the black woman is the villan. This confuses me and nothing from my classes prepared me for this.

4. I am however reassured that Duke has responded with PC moves to placate the Durham black community. That is the type of response by Duke that reasures me and fits in with my PC training that has been my replacement for actually becoming educated and learning to think for myself.
204 posted on 08/25/2006 6:29:38 PM PDT by JLS
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To: streeeetwise
Another prosecution discrepancy the NYT seems to have conveniently overlooked:

About a week later, the sergeant met with the Durham County district attorney to go over the case. For several days, the prosecutor, Michael B. Nifong, had been beseeching Duke lacrosse players to break their "stonewall of silence" about what had happened at a team party on March 13. Now, he turned up the pressure, telling Fox News that there was "no doubt in my mind that she was raped."

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Mr. Evans and the two other team captains who shared the house were there. Police reports say they cooperated fully. Not only had there been no rape, they said, there had been no sex at all. They talked for hours without lawyers, gave DNA samples and offered to take polygraph tests. The officers declined the polygraph offer because, they said, DNA evidence would solve the case.

205 posted on 08/25/2006 6:35:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

great point. the police records again show that the students were acting in a way consistent with innocence and their current defense without knowing the outcome of the forensic investigation.


206 posted on 08/25/2006 6:44:23 PM PDT by streeeetwise
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H and C upcoming segment on the case. I will try to summarize.


207 posted on 08/25/2006 6:47:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
Hopefully it will be better than the segment they did on O'Reilly.
208 posted on 08/25/2006 6:49:38 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: ltc8k6

" How can the nurse say there was blunt force trauma, but it not be in the report? '

Gottlieb's description of his interactions with the nurse do not cast her in a very professional light. Unless he found the weak link in the medical chain and played her.
Sergeant Gottlieb wrote in the notes of his March 21 interview with the nurse.
“She stated the victim had edema and tenderness to palpitation both anally and especially vaginally. "

Vaginal and anal palpitations ????
The areas would have been palpated during the exam.
And if the FA had been violently anally raped by three different men- that area should have been extremely tender, more so than the vaginal area.


209 posted on 08/25/2006 6:52:57 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: JLS

H and C summary:

1. Asks is the NYT trying to convict the players in the court of public opinion.

2. Kendyll says she does not know Gottlieb, but he is in conflict with his own partner who was on the inteviews. Points out the conflict of descriptions and the notes were produced long after they were supposed to be produced.

3. Jill Davis said when she heard about it she thought it was the silver bullet. She says it was merely rehearsal.

4. No one of the 3 women changed their view of the case. The third is Mercedes something.

5. Much focus inconsistent until time to rehearsal.

6. Baden claims the article is fair. HA! Hannity says it was spun for Nifong. Baden says semen from a week earlier is highly doubtful. The initial report of sex right before the party was later changed.

7. Hannity asked Kendall about the relied on Gottlieb the last person to put his view down on paper but ignor Roberts. Kendall says the most recent statement is usually better than later states in talking about Roberts.


210 posted on 08/25/2006 6:55:42 PM PDT by JLS
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To: pepperhead
Hopefully it will be better than the segment they did on O'Reilly.

I did not see the O'Reilly segment tonight but it was better than that one sounded. One of the women said she expected the silver bullet for Nifong and it was a silver BB.
211 posted on 08/25/2006 7:05:44 PM PDT by JLS
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To: pepperhead
We had an off-duty cop in this area who was guarding an I-Hop late at night. Bunch of kids decided to run off without paying their bill. The manager hollered for the cop to stop them, so he jumped in front of their car.

Later on his excuse for having killed one of the passengers was "They tried to run me over".

I gotta' see the film before I'll ever believe any of these "run me over" claims.

Sometimes bipolar people do stuff ~ just hope you never develop the condition. It's a cruel world.

212 posted on 08/25/2006 7:09:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JLS

Yeah other than Baden the segment was good. Wish Hannity and FOX news would do a autopsy on his carer.


213 posted on 08/25/2006 7:19:41 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Gottlieb's description of his interactions with the nurse do not cast her in a very professional light. Unless he found the weak link in the medical chain and played her.

If I'm not mistaken, she was still training to be a SANE nurse.

214 posted on 08/25/2006 7:21:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Right


215 posted on 08/25/2006 7:23:08 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead
Wish Hannity and FOX news would do a autopsy on his [Baden's] care[e]r.

Yeah Baden was pretty his usual pathetic self. I guess he was trying to say he considered the NYT article balanced. He said fair, but as all the other panelist concluded it was not a fair description of the evidence. But it did balance a fraction of what supports the defense against the little evidence and Gottlieb lies that support the prosecution.
216 posted on 08/25/2006 7:25:45 PM PDT by JLS
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To: pepperhead

So Herr Gottlieb has made it to the national media spotlight, eh. I wonder what he's been up to since turning in his notes on July 17.


217 posted on 08/25/2006 7:30:18 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: JLS

I turned on Hannity one day a month or so ago and Baden was on the Nifong Kool-aid. It appears his supply hasn't ran out yet.


218 posted on 08/25/2006 7:36:05 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

Gretta's show is turning to Duke. I dont know who this guest host is. I will try to summarize again.


219 posted on 08/25/2006 7:37:09 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Baden is pimpin' for himself, JMO. ;)


220 posted on 08/25/2006 7:41:59 PM PDT by maggief
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