Boulder columnist tells 9NEWS about conversations with Ramsey suspect (Karr)

KUSA Denver ^ | August 19, 2006

[txrangerette]

Exactly...but actually, CT Mom, I was responding to someone who thought that John Ramsey picking her up in his arms, plus removing the tape on her mouth, then carrying her upstairs, was done to contaminate the scene so the Ramseys would escape justice.

Their point was to say that if a parent does that upon finding their murdered child in their own home, it looks like they touch them in order to beat a murder rap.

You said you wouldn't think, oh, I better not touch her or the police will think I did it. It's the opposite to what I was responding to.

And I said I can't imagine a parent who would make sure NOT to touch their child so the police could process the scene correctly. Can't see John R. calling up the basement stairs, hey, here's my daughter, dead, now come down here and do your detective work.

The first impulse would be to get her out of that hell hole where she had been so horribly mistreated and killed. Get that awful stuff off of her body that the creep had left there. Then lay her down on a nice sofa, cradled in your arms, and try to revive her and failing that, sobbing your heart out.

[txrangerette]

You're point is extremely well put. Rationally, he would not make deliberately incorrect statements if he really wanted "credit" for the crime. Only thing I can think of...he's now quite confused and is acting as more than one personality, or has severe memory problems or something. The multiple personality thing has been mentioned as a possibility.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

Exactly. I would think there's something wrong if a parent didn't do that. I like to watch forensic files, (Gee, who woulda thunkit!), when a family member, responds in a cold, unattached manner, it generally strikes the police as odd too.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

What he said about the chloroform is different than what he told the informant in California five years ago. He told her that he'd played with JonBenet on the stairs at the Christmas party. So, when he woke her up, and said her parents wanted her to come downstairs she recognized him as the nice man who did tricks with the quarter, and she followed him. He also commented that he gathered the stuff from the house, and wrote the ransom note before he awoke JonBenet. I suppose this woman could be making this up, she says she has emails and correspondence to prove it. We shall see.

[txrangerette]

I have been out of pocket for several hours, of necessity. Can you point me to the latest info, including Karr's transfer? Haven't had a chance to watch TV yet. Just a few hightlights...not everything. I would really appreciate it.

[txrangerette]

This confuses me.

They went to a party at a friend's house, right? (For years I thought the party had been in the Ramsey house.)

So he told this woman that he did coin tricks for Jon Benet at the Christmas party at another house, so she was willing to come downstairs with him in her own house?? This begs the question of how did he get into the Ramsey home? And when? Including to write the note as well as commit the crime. How did he know his way around?

You know, THOSE little details.

I'm not thinking about the chloroform right now, because the last I heard, didn't the Thai authorities say that he really didn't say he drugged her, after all?

[Sacajaweau]

The case has all the bits and pieces of other cases. Hinckly (supposed obsession), Walsh (beheading), Unabomber (extensive writing and research).

I'm thinking too hard about it....and it likely isn't that hard.

Karr has a grudge against power and the money. His life has been a flop.

Being from the south, Ramsey would be in the southern papers more than here...up north.

There's some connection to the Ramseys but we don't know how yet.

From Sandrock (or whatever his name is) we learned that it appears that Karr was familiar with Colorado....but that might just be by doing web searches......except he knew the color and position of the newspaper building that the writer was from...by heart. Is that toooo familiar? Had he been there looking at Victorian Houses? Had he worked on any? There are a lot of guys who work for subcontractors doing work under the table.

I think John Ramsey said that the little room where they found Jonbenet had been painted shut. Who was the painter...and how long ago??

[Sacajaweau]

He's not THAT confused. He said after checking that the record light was on (the flitting eyes) that: it was "an accident" and then continued "That would make it 2nd degree murder not 1st degree".

[Conservative Texan Mom]

No, he said the party was at the Ramsey house. He said that during the party he was able to sneak off and snoop about the house. He discovered the basement room, and fixed the window so he could come back and open it later.

There was a link yesterday where this woman was interviewed. Hall found it. I'll see if I can locate it and post it to you.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

go to this link-http://www.kron.com/Global/category.asp?C=8554&nav=menu130_1


scroll down to where it says "Womans says Karr told her about Ramsey"

[mystery-ak]

Thanks for that link...very interesting to say the least....this open-house she was referring to can be easily checked...he went with his brother, also John Ramsey has said he has never heard of Karr, but this woman says John Mark's brother worked for Ramsey at one time, another thing that could be easily checked through payment records...

[txrangerette]

OK. Now I have something in common with KARR, eeeeekkk!

As I said, for years I thought the party was at the Ramseys.

So he tells this woman that the party was at the Ramseys. And that's how the whole crime came about.

Just one thing...everybody else seems to KNOW that the party was at...what did Rte66 say...Fleet White's house?

[ladyinred]

Knowing about the case wasn't hard since the media was in a frenzy for months over it. Not only that, the DA was leaking info to the Tabs himself. He also gave the Ramsey atty's information never shared with suspects in normal cases. It is very obvious that certain people wanted this case to never be solved.

[Veto!]

Karr had the money to travel all over the place on a substitute teachers pay?

He probably sells his body for money. Which may be why Sandrock was "excited" to meet him.

[Veto!]

That's quite a story about the Vampire, Common Tator. If you have the inclination, you could turn that into a novel. The story's so good, a publisher would pay to have it edited, if necessary.

[txrangerette]

Yes, I had heard that revelation from Sandrock...the only question being HOW and WHEN did Karr come to know such minute details about Boulder, CO...there being no doubt that he did know.

Surely the prosecutor has got to have something placing him there.

I'm thinking if she doesn't, she's as nutty (well, maybe not quite) as Karr.

I want the truth to come out. But I confess to wanting Kimberly Gilfoyle, et al, to have those smug, sarcastic smirks wiped off their faces.

Sigh. But I will accept..whatever.

[txrangerette]

I know he wasn't confused about the legal implications.

I was talking memory of the crime details. He has flights of fantasy, I think. He's so confused he feels like a girl trapped in a male body. He brags. He embellishes. Of course if he's the one, he knows, or once knew, everything. If he's not the one, just a wannabe, he still knows more than almost anyone else about the case.

And yet, and yet..if he gives knowingly false statements about details how does that square with his wanting to be thought the murderer?

Conservative Texan Mom pointed that out.

Which led me to speculate...

[txrangerette]

Thanks.

[Veto!]

He told friends that he convinced some guy in Atlanta to sell it to him, and it was a mystery how he could afford it.

The DeLorean, the traveling, no visible means of support add up to the life of a gigilo, serving gays all over the world. There really is a large underground of these guys. The look good, dress well, have "friends" who support them and may even pass them around to other guys with money.

I lived in San Francisco for a decade, worked in the arts, so had a lot of gay friends. They told me more than I wanted to know. It's just incredible how promiscuous they are, sometimes having as many as 40 encounters in a 24-hour period. If they get paid for half of them, that's major money. Or, they might be the honey of one wealthy and sometimes "straight" fellow who provides an apartment, car, spending money....everything.

Karr has the right look, the right attitude, the right haircut to be a gay "escort."

[Sacajaweau]

First one to give John Karr an alibi stood to make a lot of money. But both relatives have backed off.

I think his ex and brother are likely good people and will work with the police...not with the media.

I'm sure there are people coming out of the woodwork and reams of information on this guy.

I'm also certain they want to write up a search warrant properly and thoroughly so nothing gets overlooked and/or thrown out.

I MUST believe they have a match to fingerprints or the palm print. That could have been easily faxed and confirmed. Be patient.