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Karr classmate offers theory on ransom-note mystery
Rocky Mountain News ^ | August 19, 2006 | David Montero

Posted on 08/19/2006 9:22:16 AM PDT by beaversmom

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To: txrangerette

I think Walsh's son was kidnapped in Florida. It's really sad because the mother was a couple of isles over looking at a lamp, and the boy was in the toy department with some other kids. A security guard came over and made the little boys leave the store! Why she didn't take to them to an office and call for parents is beyond me. Anyhow, the Walsh boy was made to go outside, and this killer was driving by and saw the opportunity.


141 posted on 08/19/2006 3:45:18 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: txrangerette
That would be interesting to know if he did it more than once. But if he only did it ONCE, to me that's very odd to put on a HS yearbook signing page (SHALL BE THE CONQUEROR), and then to have those exact letters show up as the signature (S.B.T.C.) on the "ransom note" in a murder case to which he later confesses

I get the sense this slogan could have been used in a comic book or something of that nature and was a phrase known to those who read that material. It would be hard to track down there were so many comics or maybe it was a line from a cult film.

142 posted on 08/19/2006 3:46:11 PM PDT by Searching4Justice
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To: beaversmom

Just got here, so haven't read the thread yet, but wanted to comment on something ...

" ... and live in multiple peace." ..."

All the media quotes end there, but the whole thing reads:

" ... multiple peace ANGELICY FOREVERMORE .....,, philosophy of a DREAMER."

It was continued onto the bottom of the next page, under the Rollins Farm Supply ad. OK, back to read now. Sorry if that was already covered here.


143 posted on 08/19/2006 4:00:27 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: stands2reason

I obviously can't spell. Scarf. The scarf that John Ramsey recently bought JonBonet that she liked so well.

The family wanted the scarf in the coffin, along with a stuffed bear, a cross, and she was wearing a tiari. I hope I spelled tiari correctly.


144 posted on 08/19/2006 5:16:09 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

Perhaps the only thing he will be charged with is leaving the country while on parole, or under indictment for child porn, or something similar -- in the State of California.

Most likely Karr has made up all of this stuff about JonBonet. Boy, this case is baffling.


145 posted on 08/19/2006 5:23:18 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: Rte66

what is ANGELICY?


146 posted on 08/19/2006 5:34:31 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

Don't know - it's a made-up word. It sounds like he was trying to say a word like "democracy" or "theocracy" to describe the state of being an angel.

I also saw some teens using it like "angelic" + "-y" as in "acting all angelic-y."

Anybody's guess!


147 posted on 08/19/2006 5:55:28 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: i_dont_chat

She didn't like the scarf all that well - it was bought after she died.


148 posted on 08/19/2006 5:57:52 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Searching4Justice
I would think it (S.B.T.C) would be some famous line in a movie or a poem.

DeLoran......sudden popularity

Admit to murder of J.B.R. .......sudden popularity

Hummmmmm
149 posted on 08/19/2006 6:07:27 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Thinking outside the box:

Karr might be one of those who give initials TWO MEANINGS. I did it when I was young but it was for memorization purposes...kinda like the sine, cosine, tan ditty.

From the note, lets say SBTC means what we perceive from the yearbook-"Shall Be The Conqueror".

Bring it more up to date...to the Fall of 1996. Karr went to Bevill State Community College from November to February. Lets look at the possibility: Student, Bevill, Teacher, College...or maybe....Student, Bevill, Teacher, Conquer.

I have to go back and look. But there's a familiarity with this pattern and the Unabomber who I believe was caught just before this. And Karr wrote a book...same pattern as the Unabomber?....Karr's manifest??

And it was the Unabomber's brother who recognized a "phrase" from their youth while reading the manifest. I thimnk that's to come.

150 posted on 08/19/2006 6:15:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: i_dont_chat

That is very likely. I think the charges in California were what the Tai authorities were holding him for until U.S. officials picked him up.

I would think they need more than a questionable confession that any nerd with internet access can debunk if they're going to charge him. I don't think the Ramseys did this. But unless the DA has more than she's letting on, and she may, this case ain't look'n too good.


151 posted on 08/19/2006 6:39:18 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: Sacajaweau
SBTC also means 'Saved By The Cross'...

Interesting eh? ;)

152 posted on 08/19/2006 8:32:00 PM PDT by BossLady
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

I had heard the Walsh story many times, but saw a much aired TV Biography of John Walsh a year or so ago, and they talked about that horrible day. I started crying when they said the mother was looking around the store and mall in a panic and knew right away that something was seriously wrong. What a terrible feeling when they are out of sight just for a minute--I can only imagine the fear she felt after searching the whole store and mall. Of course the mom was not to blame, but I can see how you would blame yourself. If only... If only I had kept him with me. If only I had left 15 minutes earlier or later. If only I had stayed at home. It's must be the worst thing to have a child of any age die in any manner but a little boy and to die like that--it's too horrible to think about.


153 posted on 08/19/2006 10:50:55 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

It is too horrible. It would be so hard not to think of all the things that, if done differently, would have prevented the tragedy. The security guard kind of urkes me, but I think I read that she was only seventeen. I imagine they have a better procedure for dealing with unattended children now. You don't send 6 year olds outside to wait for their parents. This was 1981 though.


154 posted on 08/19/2006 11:49:32 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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JBR Thread Links Roundup

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1686829/posts


155 posted on 08/20/2006 5:53:09 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: BossLady
I've seen that also...But see no signs of Religion in what little we know of Karr. He abhors authority.

There is something else "disturbing in that yearbook".

"Thanks for caring, (unlike your loving sister) when I felt the worst."

What's in parenthesis was hardly necessary. Was he hoping that Theresa's sister would read what he wrote? So very sarcastic. I hope the sister is still around.

156 posted on 08/20/2006 6:15:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was alluding to the fact that the JBR killer could have used SBTC as
'Saved by the Cross' not that it necessarily was JMK.


157 posted on 08/20/2006 12:27:49 PM PDT by BossLady
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To: BossLady

I remember at the beginning of this case, the speculation was that it stood for Subic Bay Training Center, a military facility that John Ramsey was familiar with.

It could be something totally different, though I must admit the Shall Be The Conqueror is very intriguing.

I was on another thread or forum where someone had suggested something along the lines of Search Basement Tiny Closet, or Search Basement The Closet.

It is definitely one of those things that have been speculated upon, with Ramseys Didits believing that it is "Saved By The Cross". I had never heard that acronym before this case, but apparently some Christians use it. I am a Christian, and I also asked my Christian friends, and none of them had heard that one before, either. I guess we are not up with all the acronyms out there. Maybe it is more common in different denominations.


158 posted on 08/20/2006 4:49:04 PM PDT by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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To: Shelayne

OK, Shelayne, perhaps if you read the article before you posted, instead of just responding to pings, you might have seen the Subic Bay Training Center mention right in there.

As Emily Lutella would say, "Nevermind."

**slinks away, sheepishly**


159 posted on 08/20/2006 4:53:47 PM PDT by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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