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Breaking - Ramsey Case
CNN ^ | 8/18/06 | CNN

Posted on 08/18/2006 9:11:49 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog

A U.S. law enforcement official tells CNN that the man held in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey offered details about the condition of her body that have never been made public.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: bogus; fraudtracey; jmkjbr; jonbenet; karr; murder; ramsey; thailand
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To: txrangerette
The ransom note is SIGNED with "Victory" and then, "S.B.T.C".

I'm not buying the Shall be the Conqueror either. Where's the identifier? Who is the conqueror? Where is the "I"? If it was really so important, he would have spelled it out so there would be no question in anyone's mind who held the power. He would have signed it more along the lines of - "Victory! I AM the Conqueror". SBTC in the note is meaningless and is of no consequence the way it is written to anyone but the writer.

On the other hand it could be the writer wanted to mislead the police and wrote the letters off the cuff.

On the third hand (or would we be to feet now?), it could be a common greeting or saying. I'm not leaning toward a cult, but as an example a cult/group/secret society might end conversations with "So Be The Cause" or "So Be The ... whatever".

601 posted on 08/19/2006 4:48:06 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: commish

There was also mention of LE checking a similar case in TEnn. WOuld that make it four?


602 posted on 08/19/2006 4:59:20 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Sacajaweau
Reporter from Thailand this morning said he had been very talkative with the two men who were watching him.
603 posted on 08/19/2006 5:04:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Sacajaweau

And yet NOT ONE person has jumped to the foreground placing this guy in Colorado either. I find that even more significant.

At least his ex-wife and brother came forward (or more likely were surprised by the first wave of media inquiries) and then probably consulted a lawyer who told them to shut up.

Is there NOBODY in Colorado who wants to be on television to say "I saw him in Boulder. I remember him."? You'd think there would be 20 or 30 who would lie about seeing him just to get their mug on TV. So far...silence.


604 posted on 08/19/2006 5:04:41 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

SO the kidnap/murder was pay back to hurt/humiliate the father?


605 posted on 08/19/2006 5:09:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

Just think...see, we're calling her Patsy. The Media and even her family (in public anyway) are calling her Patsy. Then he goes on international TV and refers to her as "Patricia", several times. Talk about intruding into and trying to control the Ramseys' world...

My grandfather had an older sister who as the family's eldest child was made to feel she was "in charge" of her siblings when they were young.

Their whole lives she continued to act that way. She would barge into one of their homes uninvited and begin to "take control" of whatever was going on.

Here's what reminds me of this situation: My grandfather had a middle name that NO ONE in the family ever called him...it was a family name from the past and not the kind of name you'd want to go by...

But his elder sister called him by that middle name and was the only one in the family who ever did.

At a family gathering they would call out to him and say, Hey, Harv (Short for Harvey), but she would always say, now Griggs, what about this and what about that.

When my mom told me about that, I told her she was just trying to show him, and all the others, that SHE was in control.


606 posted on 08/19/2006 5:09:31 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom
Maybe he hit her head on something when he was shaking her trying to get her to regain consciousness.
607 posted on 08/19/2006 5:15:00 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

The injury to her head was quite large and severe, and left a big bashed in hole. I see your point, but this appeared to investigators as a most deliberate and brutal act. They said it might have been done NOT to kill her, though, for whatever reason in was done, because she had already died from strangulation.


608 posted on 08/19/2006 5:19:44 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: hoosiermama

in = it


609 posted on 08/19/2006 5:23:12 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: hoosiermama
Maybe he hit her head on something when he was shaking her trying to get her to regain consciousness.

In case a defense attorney is lurking, I wouldn't float such stuff....he'd probably snap it up and then hope he gets a jury as dumb as Orenthal's to suck up such a scenario.

Dismissed Simpson juror being interviewed: "DNA don't mean nuffin - lotsa peoples gots the same blood type".

610 posted on 08/19/2006 5:23:44 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: mtbopfuyn

No comment. I don't trust my temper at the end of this difficult, tiring day. Was for me anyhow...


611 posted on 08/19/2006 5:31:24 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Ya got to admit, if he thought the head injury killed her it would fit in to his "It was an accident".


612 posted on 08/19/2006 5:35:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: paulat

The last time I checked, that wasn't against the law.


613 posted on 08/19/2006 5:41:33 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democrats = terrorists)
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To: Halls
HELLO? If they had a picture it would have already been plastered on the news.

Not necessarily. It may be that the family was smart enough (cough) to have hired a lawyer and he advised them to keep the photos locked up. There are many people out there who just aren't organized and can easily put their hand on a photo 10 years old. I worked with families and it's amazing how many parents called the office a few weeks after a visit claiming they lost their kids' pictures and do we have copies. I've also been in more than one home that's been vacated and there's family pictures and kids' school pictures thrown in the garbage or left here and there in the trashed out rooms. Some people just couldn't care less about such things.

614 posted on 08/19/2006 5:59:57 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom
I don't know if it was her left hand, or right hand.

This was my first trip over to the autopsy report at Drudge. Skimming through it, it says the heart was drawn on the left hand. If she was right handed, and I certainly don't know if she was, then she could very well have drawn it herself making it a non-issue.

615 posted on 08/19/2006 6:05:34 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Sacajaweau
I would think there were a lot of relatives AND NEIGHBORS at the Christmas time festivities. They should have ALL jumped to the foreground.

On CNN, they mentioned a neighbor claiming Karr was at his ex-wife's that Christmas. That's the ex, the brother, and a neighbor. Frankly, I couldn't tell you who was at my neighbor's last weekend much less their family Christmas ten years ago.

616 posted on 08/19/2006 6:10:31 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I don't see why a lawyer would advise any of the family to not release evidance that John Karr could not have been the killer. This would be highly unethical and could be considered hindering an investigation to not turn over pictures to the authorities. I don't think your senario of a lawyer telling them to hold onto family pictures and not show them to anyone is likely and I disagree.


617 posted on 08/19/2006 6:10:44 PM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: hoosiermama
It's one possibility. We are all just speculating about the psychology of the person who did this. As to whether or not it's Karr remains to be seen.

My feelings are that the perp had several psychological factors in play. Most obvious is pedophilia. The person also seems to have some deep seeded hatred toward, as well as a need to be admired by, high status people. And, there seems to be an obsessive interest in crimes against children. At least that is my take since I think the *beheaded* notation in the ransom note may be referring to the Walsh case. Given his obsessiveness, and that this was an elite family with a beautiful child, these traits gave way to a stalker like mentality. The need to taunt and control play into the stalker type persona. How long this stalking went on is unknown. It could have begun that night at the Ramsey's party, if the perp was in attendance. It could have been going on for awhile. If it does turn out to be this guy, it's still going on.

It is clear though that he was obsessed with the Ramsey case, and his attempt to contact Patsy is a part of that. He was probably aware that Patsy was dying and if he wished to interject himself into her life he would have to do so quickly. He's a sick individual, maybe even sick enough to have done this. Until we see more convincing evidence though I'm withholding judgment on him regarding the murder.
618 posted on 08/19/2006 6:11:08 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I can only speak for my family I see every Christmas. A neighbor, forget it!


619 posted on 08/19/2006 6:11:31 PM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: txrangerette
Here's a thought about the head injury:

How many times do we hear of someone blaming the victim? The killer molests and strangles her as part of his sick fantasy. When he realizes it, he goes through a range of emotion. The first being anger. "Damn it! Why did you make me do that! You were teasing me!" He hits her. Then the remorse begins to set in. He covers her with the blanket, and lays the sports jersey across her. This is actually a very common pattern of emotion. I see this with my kids at times.

Example, my son read my 8 year old's diary. His first defense, "She left it out! I only read stuff I already knew." When he began to understand the invasion, and betrayed trust, he became very remorseful.
620 posted on 08/19/2006 6:22:18 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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