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Breaking - Ramsey Case
CNN ^ | 8/18/06 | CNN

Posted on 08/18/2006 9:11:49 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog

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To: txrangerette
SCTC could stand for quite a few things.

SCTC means nothing. It's not in the hostage letter either. And "Shall Be The Conqueror" is really a stretch in my book.

521 posted on 08/19/2006 12:34:38 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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Does anyone know if Mark Karr is the youngest of the 3 brothers?

These things keep eating away at me...

His mother died when he was 12
He is sent to his grandparents to live after his mother dies.
His mother "raised" him like a girl. (per what Karr wrote to Tracey) - did mommy dress him up and treat him like girl (her little beauty queen) and then favored him?
Then he goes off to the grandparents and did they refuse to treat him (her) like his mother treated him?
Karr has extreme female mannerism's on the video taken in Thailand, he even appears to have breasts (but that might be due to his big weight loss)

Does Karr see himself a little beauty queen girl?
Did he follow young girl beauty pageants?
If so... did he see himself as JonBenet?
522 posted on 08/19/2006 12:36:55 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: BunnySlippers

SBTC. it is in the ransom letter.


523 posted on 08/19/2006 12:38:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: pissant

You are joking, but you don't know how strong a 6-year old can be.


524 posted on 08/19/2006 12:39:57 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: BunnySlippers

The ransom note is SIGNED with "Victory" and then, "S.B.T.C".


525 posted on 08/19/2006 12:41:30 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Karr classmate offers theory on ransom-note mystery

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1686496/posts


526 posted on 08/19/2006 12:45:10 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: stlnative
I believe the little babies were buried in a family cemetery. Their names were Angel and Innocence.

That old yearbook says "Angelicy Forevermore".

Who had the history of twins..John or his wife?

Why could he only have supervised visits with his children? (That's probably a "duh".)

They should run GPR in that cemetery to look for unmarked graves. I hope for the best but fear the worst in this case.

527 posted on 08/19/2006 12:46:20 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Halls
He left the Ramsey's house quickly forgetting all about the ransom note he had written since at that point he was upset he had killed his love!

...Other than that the ransom note was left (neatly, from how I heard it described) on the foot of the main stairways. He didn't forget the ransom note. He planted it exactly where he wanted it found.

528 posted on 08/19/2006 12:50:01 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Tall_Texan

what was meant there - was forgetting he had left the ransom note, that once it became a murder and not a kidnapping - why didn't the killer go back upstairs and take the letter.


529 posted on 08/19/2006 12:52:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Halls
Interesting.

This is going to sound completely disgusting, but in the world of sexual deviants anything is possible. Strangulation is often a part of sexual gratification in these minds. I always found it curious that she was popped on the head at, or near, the moment of death. This was determined because there was very little swelling and bruising given the extent of her head injury. Was this guy getting off on the strangulation, and the popped her on the head at the point of climax? That's totally sick, but we're dealing with a sick individual. Those two injuries were just unusual. Why pop her at that moment? It kind of makes me want to puke just writing about it.
530 posted on 08/19/2006 12:55:29 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: Tall_Texan

true, he may have planted it exactly where he wanted when he thought he was going to take off with Jonbenet, but when he "accidentally" killed her that plan was foiled and he just left the ransom note where it was.


531 posted on 08/19/2006 1:01:43 PM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: oceanview

I'm thinking he didn't care at that piont. He was upset that he killed Jonbenet because "he loved her" and was mad at himself. He probably didn't care about the letter anymore to think about taking it with him or not.


532 posted on 08/19/2006 1:03:07 PM PDT by Halls (I'm a Texan, Christian, Wife, Mother, Singer, Conservative GAL!!)
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To: Tall_Texan
He planted it no doubt....In the path that they would have to take in the morning. We don't know about Jonbenet's habits. Did she normally go into her parents room when she woke up??? or downstairs to watch TV or was she a late sleeper? Did they check her room BEFORE they went downstairs?

I do think they have the right person in custody. Too many coincidences.

533 posted on 08/19/2006 1:05:25 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

Possible.

Seems also possible he didn't set out to kill her, at least not admitting that to himself.

So when she died from asphyxiation he became angry and/or fearful.

Cound be he simply lashed out and she was the only other one there to bear the brunt of it.

Could be he wanted to disguise the fact that she died as he was in his twisted sick way "making love to her", so he wanted it to look like she died from a blow to the head, instead. In other words, not the victim of "love", but the victim of "violence".

Or as halls mentioned, perhaps he became so angry that she didn't "return his love" that he attacked her with the blunt instrument to act out his rage. Which just happened to coincide with near the time of death.

BTW...Anybody notice how he insisted on calling Patsy, "Patricia" in talking about contacting her. I know her name is Patricia but almost nobody in the public domain calls her that. I won't say nobody, but almost

Like he was determined to call her a name that others of the public didn't, to show he had an inside with her and her family, and as you say "their world".


534 posted on 08/19/2006 1:12:28 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Halls
Good scenario, Halls! He or whoever had it planned one way but it didn't play out accordingly.
535 posted on 08/19/2006 1:29:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: oceanview

I know.


536 posted on 08/19/2006 2:17:19 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: oceanview

I know. But you said SCTC was meaningful.


537 posted on 08/19/2006 2:18:46 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: txrangerette

I just don't agree with the classmate.

Do you think Karr is guilty?

Unless they can place him in CI, I do not.


538 posted on 08/19/2006 2:20:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Sacajaweau

The couple also had twins who died at birth Sept. 1, 1989, whose names were Angel and Innocence, according to records in the New Cooper Cemetery outside Hamilton, Ala., where they had lived.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/17/MNGR6KK6FL1.DTL


539 posted on 08/19/2006 2:20:48 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

Thailand is noted for transgender surgery. I wonder if Karr was in the midst of something like that. He seemed very effeminate to me on TV.


540 posted on 08/19/2006 2:30:08 PM PDT by varina davis
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