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1 posted on 08/15/2006 7:23:32 AM PDT by 7thson
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It sounds like the difference between calling someone a "Christian" and not "Christianity".

I thought a Muslim was one who practiced Islam.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 7:26:28 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: 7thson

I see it as a bunch of ignorant people thinking we are as ignorant as they are. Peaceful people don't blow other people up on a daily basis. They were never told of that old saying, "Actions speak louder than words".


3 posted on 08/15/2006 7:27:16 AM PDT by panthermom
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I don't think it's playing with words.

Here's my understanding of the issue:

Islam is the name of the religion. Muslim is the name of a believer of Islam.

Just as you wouldn't call a Christian person a Christianity, or a Buddhist a Buddhism, you shouldn't call a Muslim an Islam.

Am I missing something here, or is that all the CAIR guy was trying to get across?

4 posted on 08/15/2006 7:27:36 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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I'm not sure, but I think that if your Islamic, you can make the rug your praying on levitate and fly around the room. Then again, I'm not sure.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:26 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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There's an element of flim-flam in the message, but the ol' boys from CAIR know very well that the primary document, the Koran, speaks favorably of killing Jews and non-Moslems.

Besides, Islam is not just a religion ~ it is a GOVERNMENT, and it's a SOCIETY, and it's a CULTURE ~ all wrapped up in one.

To be a good Moslem one must seek the elimination of existing government, the destruction of existing society with its myriad of social arrangements, and the imposition of Islamic culture in place of the native culture.

I don't see any problem with dealing with Islam as though it were an insuraction or riot.

6 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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"MUSLIM IS NOT ISLAM - ACCORDING TO CAIR"

The headline is all I need to see to know its a LIE.

8 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:21 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (We need a maintenance Crusade)
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To: 7thson

Religion of peace my arse BUMP!


9 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:51 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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i just don't think it matters anymore. jihad is jihad.


10 posted on 08/15/2006 7:31:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("These formidable people....will die for Liberty")
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Okay... Muslimic fascists. Now can we stomp them?


11 posted on 08/15/2006 7:33:04 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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Yes, he also tried to talk about people who proclaimed to be Christians that were Fascist. Finally the answer came to me earlier today, the play on words is to turn the world against Christian and Jews. These are the two enemies of Islam. This is a Religious war and the United States promotes Christianity (according to the Islamic Fascist) and as we all know the Islamic Fascist have always hated Judaism and the Jewish people.

Think about what the guy said last night. The answer is in his weak attempt to Propagandize with O'Reilly sitting there allowing the hyperbole to take place.
12 posted on 08/15/2006 7:33:14 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."


13 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."


14 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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As a Catholic I know someone who is pro-choice, etc. is not really Catholic. I have a harder time saying that a Muslim, who is a radical Muslim, is not part of Islam. It seems to me that Islamic history is chock full of "militant" Muslims who were (and ARE) considered Muslims in good standing or of good memory even though they murdered thousands and thousands of non-Muslims.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 7:36:32 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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That GUY from CAIR was the big stick at the top. He is totally full of SH.. He doesn't have anything truthful to say, and I am amazed that the press including FOX will even give him airtime. I had to finally turn O'Reilly off till the guy was off. These are ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORISTS.....all of them and we should understand this when their evil faces appear. They have a PR outfit that is next to none..and they lie beautifully. Remember what their end result is!


20 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:26 AM PDT by cousair
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IIRC, according to their thinking: Islam means submit. Muslim is a person that submits to Allah's will according to the Koran. So a muslim is the person while the muslim or state that adheres to sharia is submitting to the theocracy of Islamic laws known generally as the catch-all phrase Islam.

They don't like being called islamicists because they think that is simply inaccurate.
Most of all, they don't like being called mohammedans because they view that as a form of idolatry. They are not submitting to the will of Mohammed even though he is the center of their deviation from Judaism and paganism.

If you ask me, the quasi-terrorist group CAIR are meshungina.
21 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:49 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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Seems to me the issue is it a "relgion of peace" I still see no so called moderate muslims coming forward and condeming the violence. So I will have to assume it is NOT a religion of peace.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 7:39:54 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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Moslem \Mos"lem\ (m[o^]z"l[e^]m), n.; pl. Moslems
(m[o^]z"l[e^]mz), or collectively Moslem. [Ar. muslim a
true believer in the Mohammedan faith, fr. salama to submit
to God, to resign one's self to the divine will. Cf. Islam,
Mussulman.]
An adherent of Islam; a Mussulman; an orthodox Mohammedan.
[Written also muslim.] "Heaps of slaughtered Moslem."
--Macaulay.
[1913 Webster]

They piled the ground with Moslem slain. --Halleck.
[1913 Webster]


Muslim \Mus"lim\, n. & a.
See Moslem.
[1913 Webster]
Muslim
adj : of or relating to or supporting Islamism; "Islamic art"
[syn: Moslem, Islamic]
n : a believer or follower of Islam [syn: Moslem, Mohammedan,
Muhammedan, Muhammadan, Islamist]
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Islam \Is"lam\, n. [Ar. isl[=a]m obedience to the will of God,
submission, humbling one's self, resigning one's self to the
divine disposal. Cf. Moslem.]
[1913 Webster]
1. The religion of the Mohammedans; Mohammedanism; Islamism.
Their formula of faith is: There is no God but Allah, and
Mohammed is his prophet.
[1913 Webster]

2. The whole body of Mohammedans, or the countries which they
occupy.
[1913 Webster]


Mohammedanism \Mo*ham"med*an*ism\, Mohammedism \Mo*ham"med*ism\
, prop. n.
The religion, or doctrines and precepts, of Mohammed,
contained in the Koran; Islamism; Islam. The term Islam is
preferred by most Moslems, and some find the term
Mohammedanism to be offensive, as they worship Allah, not
Mohammed.
[1913 Webster +PJC] Mohammedanize

Islam
n 1: the religion of Muslims collectively which governs their
civilization and way of life; the predominant religion
of northern Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and
Indonesia [syn: Islamism, Muslimism, Muhammadanism,
Mohammedanism, Mohammadanism]
2: the monotheistic religion of Muslims founded in Arabia in
the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as
laid down in the Koran; "the term Muhammadanism is
offensive to Muslims who believe that Allah, not Muhammad,
founded their religion" [syn: Islamism, Mohammedanism,
Muhammadanism, Muslimism]


23 posted on 08/15/2006 7:41:00 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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CAIR:

Cowardly Anti-Semites Ignoring Reality
Crying About Intolerance Relentlessly
Can't Admit Islam's Responsible
Creeps, @$$holes, Idiots & Retards
Churches Are Incinerated Regularly

Feel free to add your own!

26 posted on 08/15/2006 7:44:15 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 104-105)
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Word salad. Nazis were simply wearing the disguise of appearing Catholic while practicing Facism and Aryan superiority under the tenets of the Thule Society. Muslims do the same thing by practicing a perversion of Islam under Wahabbi tenets.


34 posted on 08/15/2006 7:54:09 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("You only upset yourself with your sins, but you upset other people by your confessions" H. Crosby)
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being a Muslim is not the same as being Islam

But it is the same as being an Islamist fanatic who wants to force you to think like he does.

39 posted on 08/15/2006 7:59:42 AM PDT by mjp
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