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Darwinian Conservatism: How Darwinian science refutes the Left’s most sacred beliefs.
The American Thinker ^ | 23 July 2006 | Jamie Glazov and Larry Arnhart

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Coyoteman
Blasphemy is a matter between you and God.

What I was referring to here is it's use in angering a poster, A stunt I fell for once on a similar thread. {And got my response pulled by the mod}

401 posted on 07/23/2006 8:14:37 PM PDT by labette (Why stand ye here all the day idle?)
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To: curiosity

And I will cycle it in, sooner or later -- and I'll FReepmail you when I do.

I have seen so many good summaries of Life, the Universe and Everything here on FR, posting them up on my Profile seemed the easiest way to track them and pay tribute to them.



402 posted on 07/23/2006 8:14:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: StJacques
That's great! I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up on a creationist site as actual news!
403 posted on 07/23/2006 8:15:34 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: labette; Coyoteman
What I was referring to here is it's use in angering a poster, A stunt I fell for once on a similar thread. {And got my response pulled by the mod}

If I had every post that angered a poster pulled I would have like 12 posts left in all the history of FR (at least on these CREVO threads. And the Shaivo threads. And the Holloway threads. And the WOD threads. And the Civil War threads. And the Cooking threads. And the Hobbit threads. And, uh...)

404 posted on 07/23/2006 8:17:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: A0ri
Is God even necessary for said universe to have taken shape?

Yes. Has nothing to do with the theory of evolution, but yes.

405 posted on 07/23/2006 8:17:46 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Old Landmarks

Actually CG, I dont think Old Landmarks question was a diversion and here is why...when he asks that question, I am conjecturing, that most Christians, will answer that Adam was created as a full grown, young adult male...around 20-30 yrs old...young and full of vitality...

Now, if he was created, as a 20-30 yr old man, and was in that form, a second after being created, hence he was created 'older', than his time from creation would indicate...

Therefore, Old Landmarks, seeks to translate that into God creating dinosaur bones, which 'appear' to be millions of years old, but are in reality, only 1000s of years from their own creation...

I am sure, if I am looking at this incorrectly, Old Landmarks will let me know...


406 posted on 07/23/2006 8:19:39 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
" But you did lose the argument, with your inability to answer my point."Please support this claim with evidence..
407 posted on 07/23/2006 8:19:44 PM PDT by labette (Why stand ye here all the day idle?)
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To: labette

"What I was referring to here is it's use in angering a poster,..."

I in no way used it as a way to anger anybody. I just stated a fact. Any God that creates a universe that APPEARS to be 15 billion years old but is really only 6,000 years old is lying to us. That should not be controversial.


408 posted on 07/23/2006 8:19:55 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
It's not my opinion,

But of course it is your opinion.

Answer my question if you have the courage and I will prove it to you and anyone else who is lurking.

I ask you again:

How old was Adam exactly one half second after he was created?

409 posted on 07/23/2006 8:19:57 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: curiosity

Then you disagree with evolution.


410 posted on 07/23/2006 8:20:16 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: DannyTN

"It's not possible that she evaluated evolutionist arguments and found them wanting, she must just not know what she's saying."

Yes, it is possible *both* that she evaluated evolutionist arguments and found them wanting, *and* she needs more education on evolution as a science that would convince her. She's not a biologist, but a lawyer, so how is her polemic relevent to whether Darwin is actually good biology?

Coulter is describing Darwinism as a religion for the left.
IMHO, there is some truth to that; Darwinism has indeed become a shibboleth for the Liberals. They are driven by a disregard for Christianity to make it a litmus test in schools. ... but that doesnt mean (a) darwin's theory must be false (if liberals made racial tolerance a religion hould we all become racists?) and (b) conservatives can't or shouldn't claim Darwin as our own.

On the latter point, note that Socialists in the 19th century made a big deal of demonizing the Social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer ... and yet, look at Kennedy's "Rise and Fall of Great Powers" or look at Rothchild's "Bionomics". There are more sophisticated ways of looking at changes to economic systems, societies, etc. through the lens of 'natural selection.

I particularly recommend "Bionomics" as a different way of looking at economics, that very much explains how competition creates progress, in ways classical economics fails to do.

Someone noted on this thread that capitalism is darwinism applied to economics. In a sense he is right. The error of socialists is to assume that 'survival of the fittest' means the extinction (death) of those not fit. They'd like to pretend this means bad stuff for the bottom of the heap. No, not really: What becomes extinct are the inferior economic modes. The buggy whip makes doesnt starve to death; the company may go out of business, but the workers find new jobs, and capital moves out of low margin business to chase better returns. Little is wasted, as old factories get resold and refurbished. Our dynamic economy, where the average worker may have many employers, can provide security for all members of society even as job types/titles, companies, and ways of working change dramatically over time, ever improving due to the pressures of competition.


411 posted on 07/23/2006 8:20:40 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: freedumb2003

Ah, dont forget the breast-feeding threads, or the potty training threads, or the circumsision(how do you spell that word?)....they are always good for people getting violently upset, because other people dont want to raise their children, as the so called 'child-rearing' experts on FR want them to raise them...


412 posted on 07/23/2006 8:22:52 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Old Landmarks

"But of course it is your opinion."

No it isn't. Learn to read.

"Answer my question..."

Your question is an evasion. It does not deserve to be considered.


413 posted on 07/23/2006 8:22:52 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: A0ri

"Then you disagree with evolution."

Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with how the universe took shape.


414 posted on 07/23/2006 8:23:46 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Old Landmarks

Hey, guys, I tried to answer the question...see my post #406...give me your opinion...


415 posted on 07/23/2006 8:24:39 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: A0ri
Then you disagree with evolution.

Please explain how. What point of evolutionary theory do I disagree with?

416 posted on 07/23/2006 8:25:30 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: andysandmikesmom

And the "they are doing fireworks at 10:30 at night ON A SUNDAY in Milwaukee and they are loud as heck but I can't see them because some stupid skyscraper is in the way so I get all the pain and none of the fun" threads.



Oh wait -- there aren't any of those, are there?


417 posted on 07/23/2006 8:27:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: labette

"Please support this claim with evidence..."

Your posts are evidence. You failed miserably to answer my points.


418 posted on 07/23/2006 8:27:40 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with how the universe took shape."

Amazing... I almost laughed.


419 posted on 07/23/2006 8:29:13 PM PDT by A0ri
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To: A0ri

"Amazing... I almost laughed."

Too bad you didn't come up with a coherent reply.

Evolution has NEVER attempted to explain how the universe came to be.


420 posted on 07/23/2006 8:31:43 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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