Posted on 07/22/2006 10:43:33 PM PDT by numapompilius
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And just because you say something is un-Constitutional doesn't make it so.
The SCOTUS has already decided the matter when the case of Americans of Japanese ancestry was brought before them. And IIRC there weren't any 'warrants' issued when Roosevelt did it.
He just called up the troops, had the camps built, and let the Army do the rest.
Just wait till the first WMD goes off on American soil and you'll see just how fast you're proven wrong. Hell they'll be rounded up for their own 'protection'.
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Your quote, right back atcha:
"And just because you say something isn't a religion doesn't make it so."
They need to be expelled from the land of the living. Otherwise, they will continue to slither into civilized societies.
It must have taken you years of practice or you're just unusually gifted because quite honestly I've never seen anything quite like it. When you're confronted with something which you can't refute or which you don't like you simply toss an inanity or, less often, simply depart the thread.
To someone who didn't know better it could be confused with actually being skilled in debate.
Now why don't you follow up your last witty riposte to me with a hale and hearty "So's yer old man" and you can be done with it.
Then you can slink off somewhere and tell folks how their dogs should be banned or killed or something.
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You have posited a moral equivalency between the immoral confinement of Japanese-Americans during WWII, and some fantasy of confining Muslims.
The first was not done on the basis of religion. Had that been the basis, it would have been declared unconstitutional, and the Japanese American citizens would have been freed.
What is it about the first amendment that you don't understand?
Lurker is right, sinkspur. I've answered your and politicall's arguments with a longer reply some time ago. Please address arguments instead of repeating "first amendment." The First Amendment is made to protect the practice of religion, not to provide cover for treasonous factions.
And as far as sinkspur actually addressing arguments goes, well that's just a bit beyond his ken apparently.
He doesn't seem to realize that the First Amendment doesn't apply in this hypothetical case. Now there might be some valid Fourth or Fifth Amendment arguments but one must assume that they were made and discounted when the SCOTUS ruled that FDRs actions were both legal and Constitutional after Pearl Harbor.
Sinkspur seems to think that islam is one of 'the worlds great religions'. He's said so, so we must believe that he means it.
I disagree, and have told him as much. But he's free to believe that a 'religion' which considers women and children to be chattel property without rights, non-muslims are 'infidels' fit only to be murdered or enslaved, and that Jews are indeed descended from pigs and apes is 'great' somehow. That's his right.
It's silly, misguided and ignorant at best and lethally dangerous to Western civilization at worst but he is free to believe it.
After all there are people in this world who believe that the Earth is flat and that Jews and George Bush planned and carried out the attacks of 9-11.
One can only feel sorry for such folk. They shouldn't be mocked, they should be pitied if anything. At least they should be up to the point at which their goofy 'beliefs' endanger rational folks.
Think of it this way. A 4 year old may believe that he can wander into traffic without being harmed. Adults know better, so we correct the child and warn him of the danger; forcefully if necessary so the lesson doesn't need to be repeated or the child or someone else is harmed.
Right now sinkspur is a lot like that 4 year old. He's engaging in an irrational belief. Only in his case it's a belief that can get not only him, but a lot of other innocent people killed. We can't have that.
So it falls to us, the rational folks on the forum, to point up sinkspurs irrational belief whenever we must. If we can't disabuse him of this silly notion that islam is actually a 'great religion' then we must warn others not to engage in his not only self destructive behavior, but behavior that if widely repeated is a great danger to us all.
So please do keep that in mind when dealing with sinkspur. I can't say what's led to this ridiculous belief of his that islam is 'great' anymore than I can say what leads some people to believe that the Moon is made of green cheese or that their actions are governed by Mind Control Rays from the Planet Zepton. But I can tell you that he is wrong.
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Well, people were driving Fords through Times Square in the 1940s... Not to mention that the America First Committee put up a presidential candidate in 1944. Its political party later changed its name to the "Christian Nationalist Crusade," if you want to villify a religion for siding with the enemy.
And, "radical Shintoism"? Umm, I wasn't in Times Square in 1943, but I don't think "radical Shintoism" was the driving force behind Japan's Pacific War. In fact, I am still scratching my head, trying to imagine what a "radical Shintoist" doctrine could entail.
Well, with friends like you...
Your comments are appreciated, as always.
Are you proposing the murder of hundreds of thousands of American citizens?
If you're not, please clarify. If you are, please know that your comments can easily be construed as premeditation and your wanton disregard for the Constitution is borderline treason. (Which, in a time of war, is punishible by death)
And the religion of Islam is not, by itself, treasonous. You simply will not accept the fact that it is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of religion, and deporting Muslims because they are Muslims is discrimination.
LOL!!! You think very highly of yourself, that's for sure.
"And the religion of Islam is not, by itself, treasonous."
The koran forbids any muslim to have allegiance to any person or government that isn't muslim. It also teaches them to lie to the "infidel". You might not be able to call that treason, but those teachings of the koran sure as hell discourages muslims from being assimilated in the US or any other secular country in any meaningful way. It also gives pause to any thinking American in trusting muslims to any great extent.
As a Christian, I ignore all the Old Testament dietary guidelines, and we Catholics ignore St. Paul's proscriptions against women speaking in church.
Your response: LOL!!! You think very highly of yourself, that's for sure.
Thank you for once again proving my point and forcing me to expend almost zero effort in doing so.
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Please answer my hypothetical case. Suppose I made a religion called "Destruction of the United States," and recruited people in the name of mass murder and of subverting the state. Would the govt. be precluded from targeting my organization because of the first amendment? Is that what this amendment was intended to do?
Likely not.
where's the definition of religion in the first amendment? are only religions x number of years old protected? that's what you're saying the criterion is?
Ok, just a few quick thoughts.
First...Islam is a cult of hate unlike any you have ever had to face. This enemy will make all others pale in comparison. I have met this enemy face to face and they are single minded and hell bent on one thing, to cut your infidel head off (and lets not forget all your infidel relatives and countrymen).
Second, this is a war and in war you must fight to win. A good friend and co-worker once said to me in fit of frustration....how can they (the people of the US) expect me to win a battle when I have to follow all the rules and my advisary has none. Just imagine sinkspur, play a game of chess where you have to play by the rules but your opponent does not.
Third, since when does our beloved constitution cover dirty nasty terrorists? As far as I am concerned they should have executed Massoui on the front lawn of the White house. These people have been ruled by the sword for centuries, force is all they will ever understand or respect.
Finally, I will do everything in my power to not only keep the men who are currently detained but I will assist in LOCKING UP every fricken one of them I can.
BTW, don't assume to tell me what I will or will not do.
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