Posted on 07/22/2006 10:43:33 PM PDT by numapompilius
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
In the context of this thread, your question was rather stupid to begin with.
I'm not in the mood for you today. Go away.
You made a goofy assertion (again) and I challenged you on it (again).
Now perhaps deporting US citizens in un-Constitutional. Interring them isn't and there is ample precedent to do so.
FDR interred all persons of Japanese ancestry after Pearl Harbor. The SCOTUS found it to be a lawful excersize of Presidential authority in a time of war. That ruling hasn't been overturned as far as I know.
The fact that Congress paid reparations after the fact doesn't in any way diminish the fact that what FDR was (according to the SCOTUS at the time) perfectly lawful. So maybe deporting them all isn't an option. Perhaps interring them until hostilities against this odious political philosophy known as islam is defeated is an idea worthy of further discussion.
L
Right and we should start with Ayman Taha.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553478/posts
Oh I forgot he DIED in Iraq protecting your sorry ass.
Well maybe you could tell Mohammed N. Rahman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453397/posts
or
Sajjad H. Rizvi,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488432/posts
that they have to leave because there's no place in America for the likes of them.
It is telling that neither you nor Lurker, who had a problem with my post, do not answer the arguments about Japanese internment during WWII (except to say it was a bad part of our history--says who, Howard Zinn?) and do not answer my original question. Would rallies in favor of Nazism and radical Shintoism have been allowed in 1943 in Times Sq.? Did you even look at the pictures on littlegreenfootballs to which I linked yesterday?
Now, I would go farther than the others and say that Communism and Nazism certainly were religions, and Japanese militarism had religious motivations as well. Yet only in 1950s did a certain mania start to demand that we should give equal protection to those who want to destroy us...look the Constitution is a POLITICAL, not a moral document. Freedom of religion is allowed not because "we want to be nice," but because the Founders wisely wanted govt. to keep out of the kind of theological disputes that had dragged Europe into strife and war so many times. The idea was that govt. should not be allowed to curtail a religion because there was disagreement about its metaphysical dogma. This does NOT mean that the Founders would have allowed fanatical factions to flourish and demand rights, whose only motivation was the subversion of the Constitution and the murder of innocents. NONE of the people here give a rat's ass about the superstitious nonsense recorded in the Koran, in my view they can worship jinn and goats all they want. I am not motivated by Islam's opinions on the Trinity, and neither is anyone here. The point is that you cannot allow a faction, religiously motivated or not, that seeks your destruction...you can't allow them to hide under the banner "religious freedom." Would you allow a hypothetical "religion" to flourish, say, "Destructionism," the only precepts of which was the murder of children and the destruction of the state? Would you allow this to be practiced, would you let them hold rallies, have lobbying groups, and so on?
AlJazeera in the US is like allowing Nazi radio to broadcast here during wartime. Get your heads out of your asses, religious freedom is not a moral value that you can hold on to at the expense of the state...the Constitution is the source of religious toleration here, NOT the other way around.
And yet the only case of treason--lobbing grenades in the officers' quarters--was a Muslim. We can find people to replace the Muslims you name; however, we cannot afford even one traitor. You see the difference?
We all have Muslim friends and acquaintances...this is an old line, right? Well we have to learn to be tough and put such sentimental nonsense behind us. Muslims overwhelmingly support the supremacy of sharia law accross the world, and majority support for OBL only recently went as "low" as 40-something percent in Jordan (it's still over 60% approval in Nigeria, where they are busy killing Christians). In England I think over 20% of Muslims think the 7/7 bombers had a good point. In the US imams are radicalizing our prisons and the largest and most vocal Muslim organizations are terrorism supporters and want to subvert the state. Did you even look at the pictures to which I linked?
We're in the middle of a war, and yes, you know, the people of Dresden were mostly "nice," I'm sure. And Dresden was a beautiful city...I'd give 1000 Meccas for Dresden and 1 billion Muslims for the population of that city. But we still had to destroy it, including the innocents, because they made part of a creed and regime that we were at war with.
We can at least make this start: let no more Muslims move in, foreign born Muslims must leave, recent converts should be interned (in mental asylums preferably). The remainder of Muslims should be monitored and their mosques regulated very carefully as potential hubs of traitors; all Muslims should have background checks before they can board a plane, etc.
Let me say just how much I agree with this. The ACLU should be put in shackles and made to prove that they're not working with the enemy. It's time to bring back the sedition act.
The situation 5 years after 9/11 is ridiculous. Gore was recently in S. Arabia (ass Arabia) complaining that visas were so hard to come by for ME'ners ...I personally know of students from Jordan and elsewhere who came in recently and who deny that 9/11 was caused by Muslims.
The only way we will wake up is after millions have already died, I have said this before.
However, indicting an entire religion based on the actions of a few is ridiculous.
Here's yur report!!!
There's a reason we dont have the first church of Charles Manson.... It's the same reason we shouldn't have is-slime!!!
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Quran-4:89— Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.
Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”
" upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29
"Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12
Just to name a few of the reasons this ideology should be removed from civilized history! Just because a lot of people are wrong doesn't make something right, or moral, or just, or equal!!
Just ask the Germans, or Italians, or Russians, or Japanese, or even US!
Good post, cat...the rabid dogma of this pervert religion is well-documented, including the "Sufis" who can do no evil, or so we hear even from our friends at the Weekly Standard. Stephen Schwartz should be investigated to prove that he's not working for the enemy...he's a character straight out of Prayers for the Assassin.
Muslims overwhelmingly support the supremacy of sharia law accross the world, and majority support for OBL only recently went as "low" as 40-something percent in Jordan (it's still over 60% approval in Nigeria
(once again) Source please.
In England I think over 20% of Muslims think the 7/7 bombers had a good point.
And wouldn't that mean 80% don't?
Actually the number wes 13%.
In the US imams are radicalizing our prisons and the largest and most vocal Muslim organizations are terrorism supporters and want to subvert the state.
(Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray
A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it's no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.
There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations. While Arabs have been migrating to the United States for over a century, until the 1960s, most of those migrants were Arab Christians, or Jews. Once Israel was founded, the Middle Eastern Jews generally went to Israel, while Arab Christians continued to head for America. Then came the large waves of Arab Moslems. The established Arab-Americans did not have close ties with the growing number of Arab Moslem migrants. There were some pan-Arab organizations, but the Arab Moslems tended to keep to themselves. This was no surprise to the Arab-American Christians, as their ancestors had come to American to escape persecution by Moslems back home. Old animosities die hard.
But many of the Moslem Arab-Americans took to the idea of "becoming Americans," without leaving behind all their cultural baggage from the old country. It was these first and second generation Arab-Americans, as well as Moslem migrants from other parts of the world, that provided the FBI with information about what was going on inside the hundreds of Moslem communities. While there have been some arrests, and prosecutions of American Moslems for terrorist activity, many more pro-terrorist groups simply dissolved when it became known, via some official visits, or gossip, that the feds knew what was going on in the community. The prosecutions that did take place around the country, like the recent one in New York City, almost always resulted in convictions and long sentences. Suddenly, it was no longer a game to sit around and pretend you were going to be a "holy warrior" and bring death and destruction to the Great Satan (the U.S.). Few of the informants within the communities were revealed, and those that tried to ferret them out, or persecute suspected informants, found themselves the subject of police investigation and hostility from the Moslem community. This had a strong deterrent effect on Islamic militants trying to create "liberated zones" in the United States. This was a major difference with the situation in Europe, where many Moslem communities are very pro-terrorist.
But there are still many within the Moslem community who want to carry out terrorist attacks. These people have learned to be careful what they say, and who they talk to. They have become learned in how the American judicial system works, and don't give the FBI an excuse to make arrests, or launch aggressive investigations. For example, police in some parts of the country believe that a few of the "self-defense" groups formed in Mosques have motives beyond protecting the Mosque from anti-Moslem terrorists.
Another good source of intelligence on America based terrorists has been the thousands of terrorist suspects arrested overseas. Many of these men have become cooperative. For example, of the seven different detention centers at Guantanamo Bay, one of them is set aside for "cooperatives." These men get much better treatment, and protection from the hard core terrorists who still comprise most of the other inmates. Most cooperatives aren't sure if they can go home now, because word of their cooperation could get them killed once they are outside Guantanamo Bay. But other resettlement options can be offered, depending on how cooperative the cooperatives can be. The result is often names of pro-terrorist people who have immigrated to the United States, or those in various parts of the world who know something about who is who (terrorist wise) in the United States.
As successful as the informant program has been, it only has to fail once to get a lot of Americans killed, and give al Qaeda a tremendous morale boost. The terrorists know that, so they keep trying.
Did you even look at the pictures to which I linked?
Yes, and I've seen photos like this before.. Begs the question, What does this have to do with the way the average Muslim lives their life?
We can at least make this start: let no more Muslims move in, foreign born Muslims must leave, recent converts should be interned (in mental asylums preferably).
There are some here that say the samething. I Thank God every day that people who say that don't have any power in this country.
"Any man who judges by the group is a peawit. You take men one at a time. ... There's many a man alive no more value than a dead dog. ..."
Sgt. Killrain (The Killer Angels)
OK, now you have proven yourself to be just a moron. I responded earlier today to the same exact email. I just want to thank you for saving me time so that I don't have to read the idiocy you have copied into this borring reply. Do us all a favor, just keep posting the same stupid response and give us an easy target to site on. You are my new favorite moron and I will look for you specifically every day:-) Hooah.
Uh, I have an idea.....scan your sector. Figure it out yet?
Oh shoot...golly gee I think I almost have a fricken tear in my eye sinkspur. Nope I guess it was me laughing at your weak ass attempt at being PC. If the rights of the few are sacrificed for the rights of the many (namely the good old fashioned US public vice the liberal media and all there drones) then I am all in favor....LOCK THEM UP!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071401030.html
please read the actual figures instead of the spin.
re your message, the average Muslim you speak of, is what the average man in any time is: passive. They are moderate out of circumstance or fear, not out of principle. They are waiting on the fence to see who will win. The average German under Nazi rule was also a "decent" person by this logic.
No president would suggest it, nor would Congress tolerate it. Nor, should they.
Depriving the few of their rights on the basis of religion is unconstitutional. Period.
You're not locking anybody up.
Pity, that.
nor would Congress tolerate it
Don't be too sure about that. Three already did.
Nor, should they.
It's attitudes like that which will lead to the deaths of thousands more Americans.
L
American citizens are not going to be interred on the basis of religion. It is unconstitutional, and no federal judge would approve the arrest warrants.
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