Posted on 07/22/2006 10:43:33 PM PDT by numapompilius
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
"It is too common, but in a case such as this one -- when people are proposing that those who follow a "barbaric" minority religion cannot be true patriots and must be expelled -- it is apt."
Considering I'm right, no it's not. There's too much evidence on my side here. Unless you're going to claim that it's all faked, are you?
Again, if you know of anyone giving aid and comfort to terrorists, it is your duty to report them. However, by fanning the flames of the holy war you so desperately crave, you are giving aid and comfort to the terrorists who want nothing more than a conflict between Islamic fundamentalism and the non-Muslim world.
Islam is inherently fascistic. Has been since the beginning.
I'm curious. If you truly feel this way, will you stop after the expulsion of America's Muslim citizens? If they're fascists hell-bent on beheading every Christian and Jew they see, isn't it too dangerous to merely kick them out of the country? A sarcastic question, perhaps, but a genuine one.
Go play with these folks for a while:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1678781/posts
"However, by fanning the flames of the holy war you so desperately crave, you are giving aid and comfort to the terrorists who want nothing more than a conflict between Islamic fundamentalism and the non-Muslim world."
That conflict is already here. No one made WWII worse by pointing out that Nazism was bad. That's assinine. In fact, it proves my point - yet again - for me. "Moderate Muslims" are THAT close to blowing people up?
"If you truly feel this way, will you stop after the expulsion of America's Muslim citizens?"
That'd be fine with me. At the very least, we must stop further immigration from the Ummah.
9/12/2001 would have worked, for me.
Against you. Those are the only Americans you're attacking directly at the moment. I'm also against your attack on the Constitution, which, if successful, will hurt everyone.
Spin, spin, spin.
Now the Oxford English Dictionary is "spin"? Do words have any meaning for you?
Uh, huh. Right.
So you're saying that there are no divergent interpretations of the Hadith?
Appeal to authority noted.
It's actually just a list of the population studies that have been carried out in the last 6 years. Think of it more as an appeal to actually doing the research -- as distasteful as that might be. Unfortunately for you, prophetofdoom.net probably doesn't have population numbers that you can cut and paste and pass off as your original work.
Actually, it's quite easy to conduct a study more rigorous than NORC or CUNY, but then I have a real degree in a profession, not a "-studies" degree.
Appeal to authority noted. Although an engineering degree does not a qualified demographer or statistician make.
It won't be too long until he admits the problem is *Islam* itself, not some variant of it.
Since you're such a good mind-reader ...
You continue to shift the blame for our low opinion of Islam to us.
Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about your low opinion of Islam. It's your opinion drives a desire to subvert our Constitution and hurt our people.
"I'm also against your attack on the Constitution, which, if successful, will hurt everyone."
Not all "religions" are allowed to be practiced here. What makes Islam special?
"Do words have any meaning for you?"
Yes, they do. You're trying to sea-lawyer things that are quite clear.
"Unfortunately for you, prophetofdoom.net probably doesn't have population numbers that you can cut and paste and pass off as your original work."
Ah, but I don't use that website. Try again.
"Although an engineering degree does not a qualified demographer or statistician make."
What's your degree in... and actually, statistics is very much a part of an engineering degree.
"Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about your low opinion of Islam. It's your opinion drives a desire to subvert our Constitution and hurt our people."
So, I'm subverting the Constitution by opposing those who wish to subvert the Constitution. Wonder what you'd have thought of Lincoln....
Al-Qa'ida says one thing, you say the same thing. The only point that proves is that you and anti-American terrorists think alike.
That'd be fine with me.
But they'll still be Muslims! And Muslims are hell-bent on killing everyone who refuses to submit to Mad Mo! /insane bigot
Any to where exactly will you expel all the law-abiding American citizens that you so loathe?
At the very least, we must stop further immigration from the Ummah.
So you're saying "At the very least, we should abrogate the 1st Amendment." I see where your loyalties lie.
"The only point that proves is that you and anti-American terrorists think alike."
Not listening to what one's enemy says they intend is foolhardy. You never read Sun Tzu, I take it?
"But they'll still be Muslims! And Muslims are hell-bent on killing everyone who refuses to submit to Mad Mo! /insane bigot"
Islam has spread by rapine and the sword from its founding. That's not bigotry, that's history.
"Any to where exactly will you expel all the law-abiding American citizens that you so loathe?"
I'll leave that up to them. Many are naturalized in the first place.
"So you're saying "At the very least, we should abrogate the 1st Amendment." I see where your loyalties lie."
On what basis, son, do you see the 1st Amendment as being related to immigration? We most certainly can block visas from Muslim majority nations for whatever reason we wish. Entering the United States is NOT a right.
BTW, there are plenty of cults and other "religions" we do not allow to be practiced here....
This one may be next.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2001/10/radical_islams_1.html
Rest assured, we will be less patient with Islam if attacks continue. Perhaps you should suggest to your "moderate" friends that they are more responsible for the actions taken in their name than I or any other non-Muslim and if they desire their religion to be respected, make it worthy of that respect. As it stands, it isn't. Not by a long shot.
As long as the practicing does not harm any person or property, it is permitted. When praying towards of Mecca, in and of itself, kills a passer-by, please let the rest of us know.
Yes, they do. You're trying to sea-lawyer things that are quite clear.
You're trying to re-define expiate. You also have a curious aversion to the proper spelling of Islamic terms.
Ah, but I don't use that website. Try again.
Expcept for the fact that you cited "textual evidence" identical to the website in passages chosen, order of passages, citation of passages, spelling of proper nouns, translation and errors. You'll need to do more than play dumb.
actually, statistics is very much a part of an engineering degree.
And biochemistry is very much a part of a geology degree. Doesn't mean that a paleontologist is going to cure your lactose intolerance.
So, I'm subverting the Constitution by opposing those who wish to subvert the Constitution.
You're subverting the Constitution by advocating the expulsion of people who have the same religion as those who want to subvert the Constituion.
Wonder what you'd have thought of Lincoln....
If Lincoln had ordered Sherman to march through St. Patrick's Cathedeal in New York because its shared the same faith as Jefferson Davis, that would be un-Constitutional as well. It goes without saying that Lincoln was wiser than you.
Indeed. However, you're parroting what America's enemies say. That's not foolhardy. That's seditious.
Islam has spread by rapine and the sword from its founding. That's not bigotry, that's history.
And Christianity has been spread by the sword since at least Constantine. That's history.
On what basis, son, do you see the 1st Amendment as being related to immigration?
Well, Know-Nothing, since the Ummah isn't a country, such restrictions would amount to a religious test designed to restrict one particular faith.
BTW, there are plenty of cults and other "religions" we do not allow to be practiced here....
To the best of my knowledge, the only religious practices that are prohibited are those that harm people or property. If you know of a legal prohibition of any faith as a whole, please tell the rest of us.
Perhaps you should suggest to your "moderate" friends that they are more responsible for the actions taken in their name than I or any other non-Muslim
So if you, hoping for a "Reichstag fire" moment that will bring the public to support your anti-Muslim policies, do not alert the authorities about a suspected plot by Islamist terrorists, my Muslim friends are more responsible than you?
Or, if by virtue of their faith they are somehow more accountable for the actions of perfect strangers, can we prosecute you for other anti-Muslim bigots' attacks against Muslims and people suspected of being Muslim?
And by repeating al-Qa'ida talking points, you are allying yourself with our enemies.
From the founding until that point it wasn't
That accounts for only 300 of Christianity's 2000 years.
and Constantine could point to no scripture to back him up.
He could point to Luke 22:36-37. Or he could point to the divine vision of In hoc signo vinces.
Sgt Akbar certainly thought the "Ummah" is a country of some sort.
Between what one person thinks and what is true, there is a great difference.
We wouldn't allow Aztecs to practice their religion here either.
We wouldn't allow the practice of human sacrifice. The faith as a whole would not be outlawed.
Certain other religious practices involving drugs and animal sacrifice are prohibited as well.
Like I said, if you know of a legal prohibition of any faith as a whole, please tell the rest of us.
The FBI is well aware of CAIR, if that's what your talking about.
The question was directed at you: "If you, hoping for a 'Reichstag fire' moment that will bring the public to support your anti-Muslim policies, do not alert the authorities about a suspected plot by Islamist terrorists, my Muslim friends are more responsible than you?"
What attacks would those be? Almost all of them have been entirely made up by Muslims for propaganda purposes.
You keep mentioning Lodi. You should know.
Oh, they are responsible due to their public silence on the issue.
These people have the same anti-Muslim political agenda. If my Muslim friends are somehow responsible for the actions of Saudi terrorists they did not know, why are you not resposible for the actions of anti-Muslim bigots you do not know?
When believing that Muhammad was God's final prophet, in and of itself, kills a passer-by, please let the rest of us know.
Either you really are Muslim yourself and are practicing your taqqiya, or you're a liberal defender of the intolerant.
I don't understand why FR's anonymous anti-Muslim bigots use this argument so often. It calls their own motivation into question. Since you're the one spouting the "Clash of Civilizations" intolerance that al-Qa'ida holds so dear, why should we not suspect that you're not practicing taqiyya? As for your charge of intolerance, I'm just defending the Constitution.
No, but you are. The meaning in that context is quite clear.
You disowned "context" about 300 posts back. Unless you know Qur'anic Arabic better than the translator, I'll stick with his understanding of the context and the dictionary's definition of "expiate".
There is no "proper spelling" transliterating Arabic to English.
Of course there is. Again, if you know a more accurate way to transliterate the letters qaf, ra', hamza, alif, and nun, please let the rest of us know.
I noticed you used Hawa'ii [sic] earlier. The correct spelling in English is "Hawaii". Your spelling is an affectation.
"Hawai'i" is the official name of America's 50th state. If you have a problem with that spelling, register a complaint with state officials and tell them why you think they should not use the 'okina to spell the name of a state that they know far better than you do.
In the future, please do not attack my spelling if you have not bothered to research the words or names in question.
Perhaps the websites I referenced referenced your favorite.
While it's possible that you plagiarized from a plagiarist, that only means you keep bad company in addition to being intellectually dishonest.
Ah, but its that very religion that drives them to subvert the Constitution.
We have already established that this is your interpretation and not a fact. Your wetdream of expelling hundreds of thousands of law-abiding, patriotic American citizens has provided enough evidence for the casual observer to fear your drive to subvert the Constitution.
Regardless, there's nothing that Islam shows to non-Muslims to like or respect. Nothing. Not. A. Single. Thing.
You are not required to like or respect Muslims. You are only required to respect the Constitution and the country's laws, even if you don't like them.
You didn't reference any websites. You named one after you were exposed as a plagiarist.
Muslim reservations. What a nice thought.
Between the illegals and the muslims, we are duly pinched.
But, let's keep working our arses off so as to fully support them.
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