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Durham Police Begin Probe Of Alleged Assault At Raleigh Bar (Investigators under investigation)
WRAL.com ^ | July 22, 2006 | WRAL .com

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:18:08 PM PDT by TommyDale

DURHAM, N.C. -- Officials say they are investigating an alleged assault involving Durham police officers outside a Raleigh bar.

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: chalmers; coffee; comegetsome; corruption; couch; crime; cupofjoe; donutwatch; duke; dukelax; durhampolice; gottlieb; hatecrime; jakki; lacrosse; myspace; nifong
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To: Jezebelle
Det. Gottlieb, have you, yourself, ever flung a racial epithet in anger?"

How about this line of cross if it gets to trial:

Q: Det Gottlieb you have been known to drink a little before.

A: Yes.

Q: Det. Gottlieb you have been known to get mad before right?

A: Yes.

Q: Det Gottlieb you have been accused of yelling at people before right?

A: Yes

Q: Det Gottlieb you have been accused of yelling racial slurs at people before right?

A: Yes

Q: Did you get mad at Ms. Mangum in the fourth photo array when the first person she IDed was someone you could not indict?

A: He will of course say no.

Q: Did you call her a racial slur when she IDed someone you could not indict.

A: He will say no.

Q: Did you yell at her again when you got near the end of the photo array and she had not IDed 3 people you could indict?

A: He will say no again.

Q: Did you call her are racial slur at that point?

A: He will say no again.

Q: Did she start crying because you were yelling at her at that point?

A: He will say no.

Q: Did she start crying because you were calling her racial slurs?

A: He will say no.

Now a Durham judge may not allow this line of questioning, but it would be interesting. You might even get a Perry Mason moment and get him to show the jury that anger on the stand.
781 posted on 07/25/2006 6:38:28 AM PDT by JLS
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To: maggief


"Duke AD's Son Charged In Boating Accident To Appear In Court"

So is the AD fired? Are all sports suspended? Is this guy going to get banned from Durham for 6 months?

I'm sorry, but I'm taking no prisoners. When the other side declared what their standards for "justice" were going to be, that's when we decided those same standards should be applied to them.


782 posted on 07/25/2006 6:47:51 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: JLS

As of 6:31 last night, per Coldwater regarding the Duke board on CTV:

7/24 Closed For Night
Obviously no news since all posts were basically bashing.


And it's still closed.
I have never seen anything like this. They really want to put a lid on this case ever since the truth started coming out.


783 posted on 07/25/2006 6:48:53 AM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Mad-Margaret

CourtTV pretends to offer a service, discussion boards, that they really do not. They close them at a drop of the hat. They are politically moderated which is ok at FreeRepublic or even DemocrateUnderground but CourtTV?

Boards with people of different views are useful to check any pack mentality over here and us fooling ourselves. But there are no credible people in this particular case who believe a rape took place. So the CourtTV boards do not serve that function and the those that claim to believe a rape took placea are just trolls and do not test the beliefs of those who do not believe a rape took place.

Bottom line, the CourtTV boards are useless in this case. So they are best ignored unless you have lots of spare time to wade through trolls.

More important an issue is where is that 17 page motion from Friday?


784 posted on 07/25/2006 6:54:57 AM PDT by JLS
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To: CondorFlight

No need to apologize, I agree with you. :)

I posted the article so we could monitor the judge's decision. Hopefully some news outlet will even identify the judge, though I am not holding my breath.


785 posted on 07/25/2006 7:03:13 AM PDT by maggief ("Come get some")
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To: Jezebelle

Melanie Sill at the Raleigh N&O pushed the June 16 entry on Duke Lacrosse into the archives giving the temporary appearance that it had been deleted. It took us a while to figure that out. She then put up a new entry which has 10 comments already. In the new thread I just pasted in a direct link to the old thread.


786 posted on 07/25/2006 7:03:16 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

From John in Carolina,
republished at the Friends of Duke University site
http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/

"Today marks the four-month anniversary of the Raleigh News & Observer’s publication of the story that first identified the Duke Men’s lacrosse team as suspects in a gang-rape investigation. In its story, the N&O repeatedly told readers the woman was “the victim.” It never once used the conditional qualifier “alleged.”

"The N&O’s March 24 story was the first of many biased and inflammatory news stories and columns the N&O produced. They cast the accuser as a victim and framed the lacrosse team as made up of three brutal rapists and their teammates who stood by indifferently while the woman was raped, and then later refused to help police identify their rapist teammates.. . "


787 posted on 07/25/2006 7:14:25 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: TommyDale

HAH! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Crotchman Couch is on there!


788 posted on 07/25/2006 7:35:50 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Yes, isn't that special? I can't believe no one is even giving the name of the third cop to get moved to admin desk.
I am busy today and I don't have time to keep checking. WTVD
had it on a news crawl, without a name of course.

Also, the Durham newspaper mentions it, but no name there.
Think it may be Himan or someone else they want to keep hidden? How about Chalmers? LOL!


789 posted on 07/25/2006 7:40:44 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: JLS

Not to mention CTV ;) but a couple of posters over there have been actively looking for both that 17-page motion and the quasi-gag order.

Why on earth wouldn[t a reporter get those two documents and scan it onto his/her news organization's website? It's like their all trying to keep those public documents from the public!


790 posted on 07/25/2006 7:42:27 AM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Locomotive Breath

LOL! Good work, MM!! :>


791 posted on 07/25/2006 8:07:42 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Mad-Margaret; JLS; abb; Protect the Bill of Rights; Locomotive Breath; Mike Nifong; CondorFlight; ..

Who has the tinfoil?

Could DPD be double-dipping?



http://www.wral.com/news/9551504/detail.html

"Some of Raleigh's men and women in blue also work security at locations such as the Glenwood South entertainment district when they're off-duty. A city ordinance requires some nightclubs to have uniformed security at the door."

http://www.wral.com/news/9563976/detail.html

Raleigh police on Monday interviewed two Durham police officers involved in the Duke lacrosse rape case as they investigated last week's alleged assault of a cook outside of a Glenwood Avenue sports bar.


792 posted on 07/25/2006 8:07:52 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

The Raleigh Police Department has been conducting their own investigation on this for a while. There is NO DOUBT that the Durham PD officers are doing the same thing. The difference is that the Raleigh officers are working at clubs as night watch, while the Durham PD is working as protection in the sex industry. Just why the press won't say anything blows my mind.


793 posted on 07/25/2006 8:10:21 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Mad-Margaret

I agree the CourtTV board regulars are very good at finding court documents if they are available. That is another reason when I am following a case, I look over there.

But then I sometimes fall into the trap of wasting time with trolls.


794 posted on 07/25/2006 8:12:40 AM PDT by JLS
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To: abb

Excellent. Thanks for sharing that. Sadly, there is probably a very ;arge truth to it.


795 posted on 07/25/2006 8:13:58 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: TommyDale

N & O reports says other DPD officers were at Binko's but not involved. Were they drinking or working security?


796 posted on 07/25/2006 8:15:25 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
N & O reports says other DPD officers were at Binko's but not involved. Were they drinking or working security?

The N & O will not answere this. It would require probative questions that may shed unfavorable light on the DPD.

797 posted on 07/25/2006 8:24:30 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: abb; maggief; Locomotive Breath; Howlin; Mike Nifong

The gag order motion is now posted at CTV due to the heroic jmoo who went to the Durham County Courthouse and got it:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=e4c34030c71f1d652c6a1c5631ce5202&threadid=270410


798 posted on 07/25/2006 8:31:00 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal; abb; maggief; Mike Nifong; JLS

Jmoo attended the last hearing and had a chance to ask Cheshire if Gottlieb's report had been handed over. Cheshire said they had just received it, but hadn't had time to read it. Whoever speculated that Gottlieb's report was the 36 pages of new discovery turned over that day was right.


799 posted on 07/25/2006 8:36:23 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

Geez louise ... what the hell do we need MSM for? /rhetorical question


800 posted on 07/25/2006 8:51:01 AM PDT by maggief
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