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A difficult lesson (Must read)
Treppenwitz | 7/16/06

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:05 AM PDT by Valin

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To: listenhillary

Thanks. I know the Lebanese army is no match for Israel. In fact the Lebanese army is probably no match for hezbollah.


81 posted on 07/22/2006 6:36:08 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: ansel12
... if my second reading of the story is correct ... but I don't understand why freepers would support American GIs so viscously being attacked

You should read it more carefully. The fight described is entirely between Americans - one from the Marines, one from the Navy, with American bystanders. Nobody is "supporting American GI's being attacked", it is the story of a bar room fight, no doubt of the usual senseless sort, between several Americans. The point of the story is that the bystanders realize that they must let the fight continue, as much as they hate to see it -- remember these guys are friends of the two men fighting -- until one finally surrenders, thereby ending the dispute once and for all.

The analogy to the situation in the Middle East isn't so much that the individual men fighting represent the two sides of the conflict, but that the bystanders -- namely the rest of the countries in the world -- may need to let the fight play out until one side finally says "I quit", because that will finally resolve the dispute and lead to peace.

82 posted on 07/22/2006 6:36:27 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: listenhillary
You would cheer on the actions of the Marine in the story?

He would not..

His objection is to using a Marine to represent the "bully" in the analogy..
He would prefer that instead, the bully were represented by some other group, individual or organization..

His point is, the same example could be given using say, a construction worker and an accountant..

It is his personal opinion and belief that the characters used in the illustration were picked on purpose; that is to say, a simile, which equates American/Marine with evil, while the Latino/Sailor is equated with good..

While I do not agree with his interpretation of the intent of the story, I took the time to read the entire thread and try to understand where he was coming from..
I can honestly say I understand his objection, while disagreeing with his conclusion..

83 posted on 07/22/2006 6:41:50 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: freeandfreezing

So how old is this article?


84 posted on 07/22/2006 6:46:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin
By any chance....was the Marine's name MURTHA?
85 posted on 07/22/2006 6:49:29 AM PDT by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: Bob Eimiller
By any chance....was the Marine's name MURTHA?

hahahahaha!!


86 posted on 07/22/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ansel12
So how old is this article?

7/15/06...

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/

Last article on the page..

87 posted on 07/22/2006 6:54:07 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Valin

The only difference is, you don't stop the beating when arabs "give". You keep beating them untill they don't get up to fight anymore. That's the only way to make them understand. They are more thick-headed than the Marine in the story.


88 posted on 07/22/2006 6:54:14 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Big Tents" you get Clowns & Circus Freaks! The road to HELL is paved with LIEberals!)
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To: ansel12

If I were to say to you "you have lead a sheltered life" I would be making an understatement.

Many of the people on this thread have personal experience with being on the receiving end of a bully's attention. Many have been in fear for their lives and sick with fear and rage. Many have been thoroughly beaten in such encounters.

Perhaps some (but not I) have personally experienced the well established practice of breaking both upper arms, both humerus bones, by employment of an iron bar, and then the semiconscious and helpless individual is forced head first as deeply as possible into a trash bin. When done properly the recipient cannot escape his uncomfortable situation because of the upper arm fractures. Perhaps the garbage man will come to the rescue in the morning, or perhaps, not.

Perhaps you find my attempts to communicate with you outlandish or "sick". As I read you that is a certainty. From my point of view you are a danger not only to yourself but to those who depend on you. I see you as unrelieable in difficult situations and divorced from reality. I have known many such.


89 posted on 07/22/2006 6:55:43 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

The reason I've never been "bullied" is that I "fix" bullies.


90 posted on 07/22/2006 7:01:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

LOL - good article.


91 posted on 07/22/2006 7:02:07 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
By any chance....was the Marine's name MURTHA?

hahahahaha!!

If it was Murtha it could explain a lot...including brain damage... cowardice... and registration as a Democrat.

92 posted on 07/22/2006 7:03:31 AM PDT by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: rabidralph

In your dreams "Popeye"! Another squid fantacy. I spent alot of time in the Philippines (Olongapo), and can tell you, it was a "Dung-heap", a first class drunken exercise in macheseemo. Most of the clowns who spent their time and money in the ville had their brains in their pants. Of course those types have it in for marines, because the marines are the ones who enforce discipline on the base and ship, so naturally all the bar-flys have it in for them. (Kind of like COP haters in the civilian world).
However, all that aside, it is a good anology for someone with only half a brain. Get a life Jerk!


93 posted on 07/22/2006 7:13:47 AM PDT by Msgt USMC
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To: Admin Moderator

a duplicate, here's an older one:

A difficult lesson
Via email | July 16, 2006 | David Bogner
Posted on 07/21/2006 11:27:41 PM EDT by oneolcop
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1670279/posts


94 posted on 07/22/2006 7:17:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
"That's why the author's analogy doesn't work for me."

How strange is your point of view. Emile Lahoud's personal dilemma can be seen as tragic, or as comic, or as self inflicted. Straddling the fence can become the uncomfortable and humiliating experience of being ridden out of town on a rail.

Perhaps you are unacquainted with preindustrial idiom. The individual riding the rail is supported only by the rail between his legs and the entire assemblage is supported between two trotting horses. The object of this dubious honor must be fastened to the rail securely, of course, and the upward movement of the rail are sudden and sharp.

For "rail" think a four inch diameter green wood pole, quite elastic and very stiff. The unwelcome experience is continued until "he has had enough". There is an element of rough justice involved. And so we return to Mr. Lahoud.
95 posted on 07/22/2006 7:18:31 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: ansel12
This is the second round tonite for this article, so what is your point?

Perhaps his point is that there are Freepers such as myself who did not see the first posting. I am glad to have stumbled upon this as it was at the bottom of my screen and may have disappeared from view upon my next refresh. This anecdote so perfectly reflects the truth of current events that it should be posted again at some future date.

If I had known to search for such a gem of a post I would have, but I was ignorant of its existence. So how do you propose that I would have done a search for something I did not know existed? Spare me the tedious, idiotic thread nannies!

96 posted on 07/22/2006 7:19:07 AM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Valin
President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

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97 posted on 07/22/2006 7:22:55 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: Socratic

So now that you have read the 2nd edition of the article, how do you feel about it's anti Americanism?


98 posted on 07/22/2006 7:24:27 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin
Image hosted by Photobucket.com Absolutely...
99 posted on 07/22/2006 7:27:20 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Iris7

" the author's analogy doesn't work for me."

"How strange is your point of view."

I can ask you the same thing. One of the reasons' that the author's analogy doesn't work, is that Mr. Lahoud is NOT the bully. The author seems to substitute the country for hezbollah for Lahoud, when they are all different. Maybe if he stuck with hezbollah as the bully, his analogy would have worked better.


100 posted on 07/22/2006 7:28:15 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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