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Freeper needs help with sedation dentistry

Posted on 07/20/2006 5:29:24 PM PDT by Battle Axe

Are there any Freepers with like experiences of a loved one dying from having their teeth removed?

There are ads on the radio for sedation dentistry, an IV, that will put you completely out. However, before this is done in a regular surgery, the physicians make sure you have no pre-existing conditions.

Apparently not so with dentistry.

Here's what happened.

My Dad's fishing partner.....yes he was almost 91....was in good health except for a cracked tooth. It was infected and the dentist wanted to pull it and all his other upper teeth and give him dentures. (He was well heeled and had great insurance.) The daughter wanted to wait until after the granddaughter's wedding, but the oral surgeon assured the family that he would be fine.

He was not. He went downhill from about the 3rd day on. Finally he went a bit crazy and took his own life. The daughter had taken him back to the dentist, to the doctor and to the VA hospital. All they could find was a sodium imbalance. He was treated for that with an IV and did feel a little better. The VA told him to come back in 2 weeks. But he took his own life before the two weeks went by.

Because of his age, I think they just blew him off.

Before this dentistry, this man would walk 5 miles and was still driving 40 miles to get groceries.....we live in this God forsaken, out in the boondocks, can't get there from here place. Yes it is 40 miles to the store.

The family is just devastated as two of the children found him.

What does anyone else know about this type of sedation? There were no tests performed to see if he would or could tolerate this type of sedation.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: dentures; sedationdentistry
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I hope someone out there contemplating having dentures will see this and get a 2nd opinion.
1 posted on 07/20/2006 5:29:27 PM PDT by Battle Axe
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To: Battle Axe

Wow, I never heard of this. I had sedation dentistry to remove wisdom teeth and woke up just fine.


2 posted on 07/20/2006 5:30:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Battle Axe

Freeper needs help with sedation dentistry

To answer your question, yes! it's ok to do shots of "151" before having this procedure.


3 posted on 07/20/2006 5:32:31 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: Battle Axe

My uncle has a pacemaker. You would not believe the tests and red tape he had to go through to get a mole removed, including two different stress tests, a whole series of blood tests.


4 posted on 07/20/2006 5:33:46 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Battle Axe

Sorry for their loss. If it's not one thing it's another.


5 posted on 07/20/2006 5:33:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You are probably not almost 91.

The real question is why didn't the dentist check him out further due to his age? I know he looked and acted like a kid. He could out fish me and his daughter put together.

He was not the least bit overweight. He got up at 5 a.m. and ate an orange and a grapefruit. He looked 75 or less.


6 posted on 07/20/2006 5:34:02 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Thanks for your comments. No one ever expected this, but I guess no one ever does.

I talked to someone on the plane on the way back from the funeral. He was a social worker and said that the fastest growing group of suicidal souls are the elderly.


7 posted on 07/20/2006 5:35:29 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
I had a great uncle who committed suicide at 95 because he was afraid of getting old...go figure.
8 posted on 07/20/2006 5:37:43 PM PDT by svcw
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To: mware
And my Dad had a broken hip that had to be fixed and he was NOT given general anesthesia because he had a heart valve replacement.

I am just wondering if there is a Freeper anesthesiologist?
9 posted on 07/20/2006 5:38:02 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Sorry to hear about your friend, Battle Axe. Mr. VITW gets his dental with the VA, they are pretty thorough going over all his pre-existings. Prayers being said for his family.


10 posted on 07/20/2006 5:39:37 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: Battle Axe

I am sure we have some physicians here who can help you out.


11 posted on 07/20/2006 5:40:45 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: voiceinthewind
This was just a regular oral surgeon. After he began to fail, my friend rushed him down to the VA, but I think they dropped the ball too.
12 posted on 07/20/2006 5:41:44 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
I like to be awake while some strange person is poking around my ivories so I have no idea what the sedation can do.

I do know that the elderly are very vulnerable to electrolyte imbalances. My grandmother was hospitalized for over a week while they got her back in balance.

She always drank a great deal of water and tended to avoid salt (she said it burned her mouth) and because of her grief over the loss of her husband she was not eating hardly at all. The combination affected her grasp on reality which was why she was checked in to the hospital were they found the problem.

I don't know but if he was not eating because of the pain in his mouth and was drinking lots of fluids the same thing could have happened to your dad's friend.

A single IV would not have necessarily cleared the problem up.

13 posted on 07/20/2006 5:41:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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Can't really speak about dentistry,but having worked for 20+ years in the medical biz I can say that in a 90 year old,there's no such thing as "minor surgery".One would think that a responsible dentist would think the same about a patient of that age.

I'm surprised that the dentist did not,at the very least,require a letter from his primary care physician clearing him for a tooth extraction.

Some people with a story like yours might be inclined to consult a malpractice lawyer.

14 posted on 07/20/2006 5:49:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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Because of his age, I think they just blew him off.

Had a number of doctors try to do this to my grandfather not long ago.

15 posted on 07/20/2006 5:54:49 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does ibtz mean?")
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To: Battle Axe

This is so terribly sad. I don't know what the protocol would be for sedating a 91 year old man, but I do know that even my healthy, relatively young dog has a screen (BUN counts etc) before my vet puts him under. It almost seems inconceivable that your Dad's friend would be put under full sedation at that age without a full work-up.So many things can go wrong. Do know what sedative was used?


16 posted on 07/20/2006 6:10:24 PM PDT by leilani
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No, don't know what one. Will find out.


17 posted on 07/20/2006 6:14:11 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe

The reason I ask is I recall reading that there are some sedative agents that have been known to cause psychosis in some patients, just can't recall what. If you can find out exactly what he was given, by all means google it.


18 posted on 07/20/2006 6:20:37 PM PDT by leilani
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Thanks so very much for that info. That may be the problem.

I've also heard that a sodium imbalance can also create similar problems.


19 posted on 07/20/2006 6:32:52 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Sorry for your loss. Here are some links from PubMed that may get you started

Major morbidity or mortality from office anesthetic procedures: a closed-claim analysis of 13 cases

" The disproportionate number of patients in this sample who were at the extremes of age and with ASA classifications below I suggests that anesthesia risk may be significantly increased in patients who fall outside the healthy, young adult category typically treated in the oral surgical/dental outpatient setting."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=1839816




Adverse sedation events in pediatrics
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11015502&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=9448787&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum


I don't know how related this is but many children have died in dentists chairs from the sedation or anesthesia.


20 posted on 07/21/2006 4:07:53 AM PDT by nyscof (Dentists are also fluoride misinformed; always get another opinion)
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