[Jameison]

"Seventh, any massive effort will take critical resources away from Homeland Security/WOT efforts with the Country, instead going after working immigrants posing no threat"


Illegal immigration, especially through the open Mexican borders is one of the biggest threats to our homeland security in this country
By sending these invaders home, and securing our borders we merely make this country that much safer.
We haven't even talked about the over $60 Billion worth of illegal drugs that these illegal immigrants keep bringing into our country through the Mexican border.
You want better Homeland Security, send these invaders home.

In addition, of course they are threat to this country, our jails are full of illegal immigrants who have committed every crime you can think of.
And the fact that we haven't caught someone yet, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't carried out any crime either.


"Eighth, if documentation past the SSN card and I-9 will be required, it must be part of a major package of legislation by Congress. If employers will be required to ensure that an employee is legal other than a SSN card and I-9, courts likely will reject them doing the government's work for it."

We don't need no Social Security cards for no illegals, and the US Senate's attempt to simply forgive illegals who have stolen American's id's, and carried out Social Security fraud by buying fake social security cards, is one of the most heinous parts of this Senate bill, given that even American citizens that carry out such crimes are charged in court and sent to jail.
No Social Security for illegals.


"Finally, without border security and other enforcement tools, this will never be done. To get them, a comprehensive package must be agreed upon, and that requires negotiation which so far, the Republicans have refused to do."

Listen.
We don't need a new bill to deport illegals, or even secure the borders or deal harshly with employers who employ illegals.
We have laws on the books for all that.
The House Bill will simply strengthen our hand and make enforcement considerably better and tougher. Meanwhile, congress has even allocated funds for extra border guards, which the Bush people have still not fully implemented.

But right now, what we need is the political will of this administration to deal with this problem.

"I cannot but believe that most voters will see this recalcitrance to engage in meaninful legislation "

Most voters don't want the Senate Bill. Period.
Its better to have no bill at all, and let the status quo remain that have that evil Senate Bill.
The Senate Bil is just like the 1986 Amnesty Bil which brought us to the mess we are in today.

[MACVSOG68]

Most voters don't want the Senate Bill. Period.

I think this is where we started. So you disagree with the poll findings?

We will continue to disagree. You will speak out for what you want, and I will continue to do speak out for my side of it. I'm sure we will meet again on subsequent threads. Take care now.

[MACVSOG68]

Illegal immigration, especially through the open Mexican borders is one of the biggest threats to our homeland security in this country

Nonsense. Have you read Holy War on the Home Front by Harvey Kushner? Almost all terrorists come into the Country legally. Most who go across the border come here either for economic reasons or to join families.

We haven't even talked about the over $60 Billion worth of illegal drugs that these illegal immigrants keep bringing into our country through the Mexican border.

Nothing I support prevents that. In fact, as I have told you, the border must be sealed first.

In addition, of course they are threat to this country, our jails are full of illegal immigrants who have committed every crime you can think of. And the fact that we haven't caught someone yet, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't carried out any crime either.

So we assume 20 million illegals are criminals too? Well, since you are making them felons, I guess you are rights. You really have no idea what a threat terrorism is to this Nation, do you? You are too wrapped up in deporting 20 million Mexicans, that terrorists can come later.

We don't need no Social Security cards for no illegals, and the US Senate's attempt to simply forgive illegals who have stolen American's id's, and carried out Social Security fraud by buying fake social security cards, is one of the most heinous parts of this Senate bill, given that even American citizens that carry out such crimes are charged in court and sent to jail. No Social Security for illegals.

So what's your plan for requiring employers, states, local governments, schools, etc to help the feds carry their water for them?

We don't need a new bill to deport illegals, or even secure the borders or deal harshly with employers who employ illegals. We have laws on the books for all that. The House Bill will simply strengthen our hand and make enforcement considerably better and tougher. Meanwhile, congress has even allocated funds for extra border guards, which the Bush people have still not fully implemented.

Well then that's good, because no bill will be passed, nor will any meaningful funding without a compromise. Glad your plan will work.