immigration

Illegals create a society and jobs in America for themselves.

It is all about supply and demand. 20 million illegals need food, clothing, cars, housing, medical facilities, jails, prisons, courts and polices and gang units, schools and teachers, social services, etc. The businesses that produce these things need to produce more for the illegals and jobs are created for them. Americans are not using more products and need illegals to fill jobs and do not need to produce for Americans. Beside creating jobs for themselves they are taking jobs from American citizens, especially Black Americans. Illegals benefit themselves and corporations by making them richer. Corporations benefit themselves and government by paying more taxes. Corporate America runs the government. The economy is good for corporations and not for Americans who are struggling. This result in great for corporations and government and the Americans people get screwed by lowering of their wages and their taxes goes to finance illegals needs and presence in this country. Illegals being low wage earners pay very little in taxes and most get the earn income tax break or pay no taxes. No illegals will not be sent back home because of anchor babies and if they are not babies and 16 years old they purposely have babies to secure their stay in America. This law has to be changed or no form of immigration reform will work. If not changed the borders will mean nothing. Pence, want to crate a “Ellis Island” in a joke. He say if the illegals leave the country, fill out papers and come back home in America it is not amnesty. Duh. Americans are not that stupid. Let them go home apply and wait their turn like everyone else. Send them home one by one with their babies (babies that were born to illegals at a cost to hospitals and American citizens) over a period of time. Maybe years. That is how they came and the economy they created will gradually disappear within society. American citizens do not want illegals immigration but “legal” immigration. God bless Hazelton, Pa and Sheriff Arpaio of Phoenix, AZ and all the others that hear the cry of the American people.

Welcome to FreeRepublic!

All the polls would disagree with you.

Helen Thomas, is that you?

Give it a rest already.

I take it back.

This was not the best way to begin your post.

Illegals create a society and jobs in America for themselves.

"Illegals create a society and jobs in America for themselves.

It is all about supply and demand. 20 million illegals need food, clothing, cars, housing, medical facilities, jails, prisons, courts and polices and gang units, schools and teachers, social services, etc. The businesses that produce these things need to produce more for the illegals and jobs are created for them. Americans are not using more products and need illegals to fill jobs and do not need to produce for Americans. Beside creating jobs for themselves they are taking jobs from American citizens, especially Black Americans"

Hit the nail on the head. Correct on every point.

I found this story yesterday. Apparently jobs are being offered to illegals when they're returned to Mexico but the illegals are turning them down.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/business/ci_4044004

The senate already answered this question, no funding for a fence.
Game ,set , match if you are an American you loose.
So go learn spanish or gutter mexican to be more accurate.
Me , Ill just make sure my glock is always loaded with
hollow points and within reach.

"So it was a clever idea to offer the returning migrants a job on a factory line.
But so far, there have been no takers. "

Heh Heh!
Not doing the jobs Mexicans won't do eh?
Maybe they need President Bush over there to fix that problem for them. :)
Guatemalans anyone?

"The senate already answered this question, no funding for a fence"

Makes me even more certain the Senate Shamnesty Bill is going to die.

I don't know what the cost of living is in Mexico but converting that $10 a day into pesos i get a little over 110 pesos per day. I'm assuming that it's at least comparable to minimum wage here.

Beside creating jobs for themselves they are taking jobs from American citizens, especially Black Americans"

Most Americans disagree.

"Most Americans disagree."

That's like President Bush's "doing jobs Americans won't do" spiel.

He is wrong.
And so are you, as you'll find out if you bother to go through the immigration threads.

He is wrong. And so are you, as you'll find out if you bother to go through the immigration threads.

So you are saying that most Americans don't believe that illegals are not taking jobs from Americans? Have you any data on that?

"So you are saying that most Americans don't believe that illegals are not taking jobs from Americans? "

Nope.
You are confused.
I am saying that illegals are taking jobs from American citizens, especially blacks and the lower skilled.

" Have you any data on that?"

Perhaps you will prove that illegals are not taking any jobs from Americans.

Nope. You are confused. I am saying that illegals are taking jobs from American citizens, especially blacks and the lower skilled.

Well then it's you who is confused, since all I said was that most Americans don't believe that. Whether it's true or not, I've not seen any data. Your view appears to be in the minority.

Perhaps you will prove that illegals are not taking any jobs from Americans.

As I'm sure you are aware, when one makes a specific charge, it is not up to everyone else to prove him wrong, it is up to him to prove his charge correct. Again, I can't say one way or another, but I can say that most Americans don't believe that.

Let's just look at your statments agin shall we?

You cliam :

"Whether it's true or not, I've not seen any data."

And follow it up with:

"Your view appears to be in the minority."

You haven't seen any data, but you know my view is in the minority?
Where at?
Mexico?

"Again, I can't say one way or another, but I can say that most Americans don't believe that."

Again, "I can't say one way or another" and "but I can say that most Americans don't believe that" directly contradict each other.
Try and think more clearly before you reply again, will ya?

"As I'm sure you are aware, when one makes a specific charge, it is not up to everyone else to prove him wrong, it is up to him to prove his charge correct"

There is plenty of evience to support my position:

An overwhelming majority of seventy-seven percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just fifteen percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.

Sixty percent of Americans favor imposing fines of tens of thousands of dollars on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006

Eighty-one percent of Americans polled support strict criminal penalties on employers who, after repeatedly being cited, persist in knowingly hiring illegal aliens.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006

Eighty-four percent of Americans believe the most effective way to reduce illegal immigration is to cut off the employment incentive for coming here by instituting tough penalties for businesses that hire illegal immigrants. More than half think this would be "very effective," and another 32% say it would be "somewhat effective."
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006

Fifty-nine percent of black California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006

Sixty percent of California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006

Seventy-three percent of Americans favor imposing fines and criminal charges against employers who hire illegals.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006

More than ninety percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed believe illegal immigration is a problem. Seventy percent rank it as a "very serious" or "serious" problem.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Eighty-six percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed say illegal immigration should have a "very high" or "high" priority for Congress and the Bush administration.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Sixty-three percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants if they only need to prove that they have been living in the U.S. for at least three years.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Increasing penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens was supported by seventy-eight percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006

Seventy-one percent support major penalties for employers who hire illegals.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006

Seventy-six percent of Americans polled are concerned that American workers can't afford to work for the same low wages as illegal aliens.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

Sixty-three percent of Americans polled are concerned about illegal aliens taking away jobs from American workers.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

Seventy-four percent of Americans polled favor providing major penalties for employers convicted of hiring illegal aliens and strongly enforcing it.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006

Eighty percent on Arizona voters favor penalizing businesses that hire illegal aliens.
KAET-TV and Arizona State University's Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication poll, January 19-22, 2006

You haven't seen any data, but you know my view is in the minority? Where at? Mexico?

Well, try and think critically for a change. First, I have no idea whether it's true or not that in fact illegals are taking jobs away from Americans, especially given the 4% unemployment rate. Second, you are in the minority in your opinion because most Americans don't believe illegals are taking jobs away. That is if you believe the polls.

Again, "I can't say one way or another" and "but I can say that most Americans don't believe that" directly contradict each other. Try and think more clearly before you reply again, will ya?

Well, I certainly wouldn't claim your gift of critical thinking, but no, they do not conflict. One concerns facts, the other concerns opinions about those facts.