Posted on 07/03/2006 7:10:02 PM PDT by GVnana
My sweet little cocker spaniel dog was nearly killed by two pitbulls who jumped a fence to get to her. She crossed a nearby driveway and they got her.
By the time my neighbors got the dogs off, (within seconds) the pits had grounded my dog, tore out her left eye, dislocated her left leg, and left ten gaping wounds in her body. She couldn't move or even howl in pain. That's how I found her.
My dog weighs 40 pounds. She's large for her breed. She's AKC registered and pedigreed. She was a very beautiful dog.
This happened 10 days ago and I'm still stunned at the viciousness of the attack. I don't know if a human child would have survived what those animals did.
I have since learned that homeowner's insurance will not cover pitbulls.
I'm posting this as a warning and also as an invitation to comment.
And if you own a gun lock, you own a dangerous weapon. Hey, I have a great idea! Lets go around and register all the gun safes and gun locks, then search those people's houses. After all, if they need gun locks, they are obviously not responsible people! Right!
LOL, what a non-sequitur.
Gee, last I checked guns are operated by people and pitbull jaws are operated by -- pitbulls.
When I look at my above post I see no mention of making the ownership of PitBulls illegal and I made no suggestion people's houses needed to be searched.
Please don't post that crap to me.
But I am capable of distinguishing between irresponsible owners and 'bad' breeds.
Honestly, it's not that hard. But I've seen you here before and I've come to the conclusion that you'll never get it.
I bet you don't own and have never owned one dog.
The principle, if it exists,
involves property rights, responsibility and accountability,
in the case of an owner allowing their dog to free roam
and that dog being attacked by an another owner's dogs on that owner's property
In all the cases of this type there is an attack and injury.
The severity of the attack while relevant to the costs of vet care
is irrelevant to the question of who should pay.
The question is, who is responsible for paying the vet bills?
The person whose dogs do not leave his property during the incident
or the owner who let their dog run loose?
It appears you assume there is one principle for "pit bulls" owners
and another for all other owners.
God forbid I should ever let my Amstaff roam free
and he was attacked by "pit bulls" on someone else's property.
The contortions our principles would have to undergo would make them appear like pretzels.
You'd lose that bet. I own three, and owned a lab back in the 80s, early 90s.
Frankly, there are so few pit bull supporters that will actually defend their breed that these threads are rather one-sided.
See post 202. If you don't control your dog, you shouldn't have a dog. If you don't protect your dog, you shouldn't have a dog.
See: If you don't think you could control a pitbull, or a .44 magnum for that matter, then you shouldn't have one.
Do you own a "breaking stick"?
I had a friend with a half coyote, half mongrel dog. Poor think looked like it has been slammed in a door, HARD.
The Grandmother had the dog, the daugher had a horribly birth defected child. (cri du chat syndrome). All the social workers claimed that the BAD DOG would attack the unfortunate child while the mother was out stripping/dancing or otherwise "working". Grandmother routinely took care of the baby, since the mother was gone for days at a time.
The social workers decided they needed to "take control" of the child. They arranged for a police officer to knock on the door, while some "experts" snuck in the back to take control of the child via a legal kidnapping.
The dangerous dog defended the child with its life.
It defended the baby against the "kidnappers", until it was killed. The dog took 4 shots, and was still crossing in front of the baby.
The City lost half a million dollars in the court case that followed. The city got off easy, but that was 20 years ago!
Take that, you promulgators of pedigrees. A mongrel half breed dog found to worth half a million dollars, to be paid.
I based my picture of the situation on this...
the pitbulls lived at the house next door inside a fenced yard...
I guess she wasn't done with her adventure, because instead of going back down the sidewalk and directly home, she entered the driveway of the next door neighbor's house. That's when they got her....
These dogs didn't growl and bark and chase her off the driveway the way another dog would. They simply jumped the fence, pounced on her
Perhaps I'm wrong but this seems to indicate the attack happened on the owners property.
The other dogs could be said to be loose but they were on their owners property,
and seem to have not left it,
which may count for something in court.
I feel for this lady but by allowing her dog to run loose
she has put herself in a difficult situation re: compensation.
In my amateur legal opinion.
I don't envy the other owners either. It's a bad situation all around.
Do you read my posts?
Laughable.
I still don't believe you are a dog owner. Or perhaps you have a chip on your shoulder from some bad experience in the past?
I know, and you've built your whole straw man on it, even though it's not ~really~ in the facts. I think it's moot to the point. The dogs escaped their enclosure. There was no effective barrier between them and anything that happened to go by on the street. They got out and did damage. Their owner is responsible for what happens when they do that.
You seem to be good at this, so, since Pit Bull ownership has become so trendy in the last decade... could you give figures for, say, 1994-2004?
Is there a way to figure how many family pets have been killed by pit bulls?
I think it would be gross negligence to leave out humans maimed/severely attacked by pit bulls. I am horrible at researching things like this, and glad you have such an aptitude with the numbers, etc.
I did find some stuff through just 2 pages on Google, though:
In June '06, in Key West, there was 1 man attacked, and one schnauzer killed by a pit bull, and also in June, in N.J., a 24 yr old female was "severely attacked" by the family 18 mo old pit bull (her 9 month old baby and 3 yr old were removed from the property w/out injury, thank god).
Oh... and today, July 4th, there was and animal control officer attacked in Pennsylvania by a pit bull who had gotten loose. He'll need surgery. (The officer, not the pit bull).
In April, in Key West, there was an attack on a man, and one on a pregnant woman. In June a year ago, there were 3 separate & horrible attacks in Santa Rosa, (in one month!) one on an eight year old girl.
I realize these random attacks I found in about 8 minutes will not be included in your totals, due to the recent dates. I also realize that they are just a sample of other attacks throughout the country.
Do you believe that pit bull ownership poses no more unacceptable risk than a cocker or bichon or chihuahua?
Thanks for your input, Einstein.
The legal info for GVnana was from that site. The other links were from Pro-Pit sites, feel free to check all the links.
Happy 4th!
LOL. You win - this time. Happy 4th to you also, buddy.
"unacceptable"?
Is this like a "do you still beat your wife" question?
Yes.
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