Posted on 07/01/2006 5:43:04 PM PDT by daviddennis
I'm pretty sure you have some Middle East knowledge - let's see if you can help me out here :-).
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I think its because no other Middle East country wants them or has already kicked them out.
You need to study some history, Jordan took them in,
until they tried to take over and the little king had to
kill around 10,000 of them.
They just aren't welcome.
Oh and they left Israel because their arab friends told them
beginning in 67 that after Israel was wiped out, they could
all come back......didn't happen.
The palestinians are unwanted and treated as second class citizens in most of the mideast. Jordan treats them best which is surprising since they tried to overthrow the Jordanian government.
I don't know the history there and I don't understand it. Personally I think the only reason the palestians aren't wiped out by the rest of the world is the mutual hatred of the Israelis.
Because they are not allowed to be anything except refugees.
For example in the past few years Lebanon passed a law making it illegal for people of Palestinian decent to buy land. If they owned property already they could not leave it to their blood relatives.
While they can and do import Palestinians for jobs they never ever let them become anything but second class slave labor.
The ironic thing is that Israel treats their Palestinian citizens (Yes there are quite a few of them) better then any of the surrounding nations who claim to be their "brothers".
The ironic thing is that Israel treats their Palestinian citizens (Yes there are quite a few of them) better then any of the surrounding nations who claim to be their "brothers".
True.
Because they are worth far more as victims.
Their Muslim brethren don't want them. They do want the support their situation brings from all over the Muslim world (and Europe).
They tried to take over Jordan and overthrow King Hussein and then after they were defeated and thrown out of Jordan, they massed in Lebanon and eventually took control in southern Lebanon and launched repeated attacks from the Golan Heights which led to eventual Israeli invasion and occupation of much of Lebanon.
Palestinians aren't wanted in other Arab countries. Their young people often cannot go to college or medical school, etc., either.
Simply put, none of the other countries wanted the Palestinians enough to take all of them.
Not to mention, a few far thinking strategists among them saw the potential to use the Palestinians as cannon fodder in yet another war against Israel. The war never came, but measures were taken to prevent the Palestinians from ever integrating with Israel.
(Note that Arabs/Palestinians living within Israel are fairly well integrated, if not fully.)
The answer of course is no one else wants these people in their country. The Palestinians obviously don't work because every time I see a news clip they are available to march in the streets protesting something. The international community supports them hoping the more money they throw their way the better things will get, but like a spoiled child they keep doing the same thing because they know there aren't going to be any repercussions.
They had a tremendous opportunity during the last election to show they seriously want to have a life outside of wanting to kill Israelis. They chose to be defiant so they must live with the consequences. I can only assume they enjoy being poor and not working because they don't show any signs of changing and their Arab neighbors don't want them making trouble on their land.
As long as other Middle East countries support the suicide bombings it keeps Palestinians focused on hating Israel and not asking why they can't go live with their Arab brothers and sisters. I keep thinking they will take a look at what their hatred and complaining has gotten them, but to no avail.
The avenues for confustion are greater than you realize.
Palestine as an area extends into Jordan and Syria yet we never hear that these sovereigns need to return their lands to Palestinians. Syria and Jordan know there has never been a sovereign Palestine ruled by palestinians. It is pure Arab and anti-semitic street theater. The suffering of Palestinians is extravagantly maintained by the Islamic world as a prop for forcing the political knife into the Jewish state. Dershowitz has done a great job of demolishing any pretense of human care offered by the Arab world.
I really think the US should push for UN resolutions demanding the return of palestinian lands from Syria and Jordan. I think US unilateral occupation of Syria and giving it who to Palestinian pretenders would also be a great move that cost little.
There are dozens if not hundreds of unresolved ethnic land claims around the world. Palestinians hold among the weakest of arguments and little in the way of long term suffering. The elevation of the Palestinian "crisis" to the centerpiece of UN political activity is pure anti-semitism.
I am not Jewish yet it is obvious to me that the only problem is that Palestinians don't want to live under Jews. Palestinians do have political rights and existence in Israel. The same cannot be said of Jews under palestinian authority.
I think the US state department makes a huge mistake pandering to arab anti semites on this. It is also sad how anti semitic the left in America has also become in the course of the WOT.
The real issue revolves around the people who live in United Nations Palestinian Refugee Camps.
The Palestinians, per se, are not considered "unclean" or "pariah" by anyone in particular (as other posters have said).
After wars with Israel in 1948-67, Jordan did take a huge number of Palestinian refugees (and still houses millions).
In return for Jordanian "hospitality" the PLO set up a de facto independent rule in the refugee camps that defied Jordanian authority. Palestinian attacks on Israel from the camps in Jordan drew an Israeli incursion into Jordan.
Then Yassir Arafat's PLO fighters tried to murder King Hussein and to take over the Jordanian government.
Jordan's reaction was to launch a major attack on Palestinian camps on Jordan in September 1970 (Black September)... 3000-5000 people, mostly Palestinians, died. Syria invaded Jordan to help the PLO but was bitch-slapped back home by the Jordanian army. The super powers (US and Russia) also came face to face to support their respective allies.
Arafat brokered or was offered a deal for protection to leave Jordan with his fighters.
The next country to offer sanctuary to the PLO locusts was Lebanon. The PLO, in Lebanon, joined in the Lebanese civil war, chose the wrong militia to support, turned the refugee camps into bastions of insurgency and bases form which to launch attacks and terror against Israel, and finally Palestinian refugees at Sabra-Shatila camps were massacred by the thousands by Lebanese militia (tho' the Arabs claim it was Israeli insitigated).
By 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon whose govt was wracked by strife and out of control of its affairs much less those of Arafat....to stop the PLO rocket attacks and infiltration from Lebanon against its civilian settlements in the north.....
Arafat and his fighters were again driven out of a country whose "hospitality" he had abused.
After Arafat's track record of treachery and defiance of internal authority by the host governments in Jordan and Lebanon - the only country in the Arab League willing to accept a weasel as treacherous as Arafat was Tunisia in the Mahgreb, located somewhat out of the path of Arafat's being able to easily insight mischief and bring down ruin and strife on his hosts......so Tunis was the next site of "PLO headquarters" as of 1982.
It took only 3 years for Arafat's scheming and activities to incite an Israeli retaliatiory airstrike against PLO HQ in Tunis.
However, the Palestinian "leadership" remained ensconced in Tunis until events of the 1980s brought Palestinian self rule to Gaza and eventual reluctant acceptance by Israel of Arafat's triumphant "return". I think our State Dept worked on the Israelis to take Arafat back by convincing them the devil they knew (Arafat) was the better of only bad choices to ride the back of the tiger of Palestinian leadership, than the devil they didn't know as well and more to fear from in the long run...Iranian-backed Hamas.
I'm sure you can do a lot of reading (and pick up some different slant on some of the events I've desccribed) to fill in the blanks on this synopsis.
One thing often said about the Palestinians and the choices made by their leaders over the past 5 decades......they have never lost an opportunity to lose an opportunity.
ah sorry thats 1948 when they told them to dgo.
I agree that this is the most likely reason. The Palestinian gov't in exile was created in Egypt and without Palestinians there really is not a need for a so called gov't and a need to get rid or Israel as a state. It worked and the refugee status plays in the UN like a strad. Basically they are Arabs no different from Jordanians when the area was all Transjordan.
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