Millions of people around the world over several decades have seen them. Famous people have claimed to have seen them. I have seen one, too (up close).
If you want to play pretend, shut your eyes and cover your ears, you can go right ahead and do so. But it is impossible to debunk undeniable fact. And it is the height of arrogance to believe we are the only form of intelligent life in the universe.
What I'd ask people to consider is that these reports started coming in around 1946 - 48, i.e. at the precise time that many people riding around in piston engined aircraft started seeing the occasional jet go by them at two to three times their own rate of speed. A P51 or F8 might have had an outright top speed of 430 or thereabouts, but no piston engined plane ever cruised at that speed; cruising speed for piston engined planes was never much more than 250.
They want FTL travel yet they continue to be mesmerized with electromagnetics. It's a farce starring the Three Stooges.
'Faraday wept' ping.
The fact is, the truth is out there.... :)
for the ping list, I think.
A late great aunt of mine saw two flying saucers and a burn circle. I'll believe her over you any day.
You can be sure that those who make a living off their sighting or what have you have squandered their credibility.
I sent my report to MUFON, Stanton Friedman, and a very few others before posting it on FR. My 1200 foot long dark grey cylinder in 1965, the length based on a Hagstrom Street map, is apparently more in the order of 1700 feet long, due to modern satellite images and maps of the area.
Either way, I don't give a fiddler's fugh who believes it or not; but it did change the way I believe in everything that was being spoon-fed to me as a 10 year old at that time and to this day.
Before you decide to make a jerk out of yourself, please go to Post 60 first.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1123484/posts
I beg your pardon; it's post # 61.
I love sitting in on serious scientific debate.
(Alt 1) I love it when you talk 'Science'.
(Alt 2) Too cool dude, glad we're normal.
(Alt 3) Pass the bong - I'm starting to see lights...
My father, a WWII fighter pilot, went to his grave convinced that the strange ships that he saw were not secret German aircraft.
I have the video, "NASA's Secret Transmissions: The Smoking Gun". I highly recommend it. It definitely shows life forms in outer space. Some very tiny -- which fly into the U.S. spacecraft. Very interesting.
http://theufostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=T&Product_Code=VSF00054
Where may I buy a copy of this new video by Jose Escamilla?
Thanks.
What was that big wedge shape everyone in Arizona saw years ago? No, I'm not talking about those lights/flares on the hill. This apparently traveled and was seen by people hundreds of miles away from each other and in broad daylight.
On a recent C2CAM evening, one of the better researchers cited that there have been
MORE THAN 4,000 landing trace cases. These traces usually involve such things as the circle within the craft's resting footprint on the ground shows inreased magnetic properties; microwave &/or other type heating; plant deformations related to the above; . . .
and, in one case, a mass of 100's (maybe 1,000's) of common flies kind of fused into a large tree trunk.
I recently scanned the latest crop of books etc. on Amazon. There are more DVD's now and many sport clear, sharp images vs the traditional fleeting fuzzy images. I hope to check some out in the coming months.
It does appear that the powers that be are beginning to rachet things up a bit toward disclosure.
This is a bit of a paradox. Many governmnet sources have newly started declaring that they did not believe that disclosure would EVER occur.
In terms of the debunkers, more sources are reporting that such as Sagan (whom I insisted early on was on the gov payroll) have been on the government payroll as planted debunkers all along. They are just too often too illogical and strident.
Wherner von Braun insisted to his assistant Dr Carol Rosin around 1974ish that the Soviets were going to be descheduled as the boogey man. Then would arise a war on terrorism. Then a war against Iraq. After that, would come a war with ET--which von Braun insisted was dangerous and unnecessary. He (incorrectly, I believe) considers all the ET's benign.
I think that the timing will depend on the NWO global tyrannical government folks schedule of the next World War. I assume that they have decided to schedule it for after Beijing's 2008 Olympics. Perhaps even after 2012. If so, then I don't expect war with ET before 2008. It's certainly plausible that Iraq will be drug out longer--as late as 2008.
I consider all the better known ET races to be in cahoots with satan/NWO/globalists. Some may be so reluctantly etc. Some may be merely demons in bioengineered biological robot 'suits.' But they do not do Christian things to their victims.
And, as Gary Bates found [described in ALIEN INTRUSION: UFOs AND THE EVOLUTION CONNECTION] from his polling ALL the major researchers in the field--there is a vast difference in the beliefs of the abductees. This fact has been withheld by the researchers in all their writings.
CHRISTIANS WHO ARE AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANS ARE NOT ABDUCTED. Or, if they are starting to be abducted and they say things like:
CEASE, STOP IN THE NAME OF JESUS--the abduction stops immediately.
Gary's conviction therefrom, is that ALL ABDUCTIONS are nothing more than demonic episodes, charades by Demons.
I don't believe that. I don't believe that all UFO craft are materializations of demons. I believe some may well be. I certainly believe that all the better known ET races are in cahoots with satan and the globalists toward setting up the tyrannical world Government.
I believe that the puppet masters have set it up such that ET's can be used as monsters to scare the world's citizens into a world government AND/OR call the world's citizens together into the NEW AGE managed by the 'glorious' ET's saving us from ourselves and our planet destroying pollution etc.
Either way, the satanic world government is advanced.