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Confederate flags on space station draw ire
MSNBC ^ | 6/13/06 | James Oberg

Posted on 06/14/2006 5:58:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom

Confederate flags flown aboard the international space station — and seemingly signed by a NASA astronaut — showed up last week on the online auction site eBay.

The original eBay listing indicated that the 4-by-6-inch flags were brought aboard the space station by Russian cosmonaut Salizhan Sharipov in 2004, and an accompanying photo showed a sample flag that seemed to bear Sharipov’s signature as well as that of Leroy Chiao, his NASA colleague on the station. Yet another photo showed several of the rebel flags floating in a space station module.

The item was pulled from the auction on Monday by the seller, Alex Panchenko of USSR-Russian Air-Space Collectibles Inc. in Los Angeles — and on Tuesday, Panchenko told MSNBC.com that he removed the items from sale because he had concluded the flag and the authentication documents were forgeries.

However, Robert Pearlman, editor and founder of CollectSpace, said he believes the flags are authentic.

“The picture taken of the flags aboard the station says a lot,” he said. “It would be difficult to fake, given the style and I couldn't see the motivation to do so.” The “onboard-the-ISS” stamp, added Pearlman, is not known to have been counterfeited anywhere."

The disappearance of the flags followed a round of criticism over the weekend from former space scientist Keith Cowing, publisher of NASA Watch, an independent Web log. He cited the Confederate flags as an example of “bad judgment on the ISS.”

“You'd think that someone on the U.S. side of the ISS program would have expressed some concern about flying a symbol on the ISS that many Americans associate with slavery,” Cowing wrote.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederateflag; dixie; iss; losers; nasa; neoconfederate; pcpatrol; rebs; rednecksinspaaaaaace; slavestates; z
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To: gcruse

Never be ashamed of your Southern heritage! And this is coming from the mouth of a Yankee girl! :)


821 posted on 06/20/2006 10:49:53 PM PDT by derllak
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To: smug

A neo-confederate is a person who advocates for the Southern historical cause in the modern day.


822 posted on 06/20/2006 10:49:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: orionblamblam

Isn't that cute, he thinks he's caught us in some sort of contradiction.


823 posted on 06/20/2006 10:51:30 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Well, you've maintained wrong. Read the articles of secession from each state

I have. I don't see how they diminish my belief. If you wish to decide for yourself which course to take you must first maintain things as they are, and establish your right to dominance.
824 posted on 06/20/2006 10:54:45 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Mr. Silverback
he thinks he's caught us in some sort of contradiction.

No, yours and his statements ARE contraditions.
825 posted on 06/20/2006 10:58:42 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Mr. Silverback

> Isn't that cute

"Cute" in a sad, pathetic, rabid dancing desert kangaroo mouse sort of way.

The Union fought to preserve the Union. But it only did so *after* the south *started* the fight... to preserve slavery. So, the war was about slavery, in the end. Had that not been an issue, the South would not have launched an attack on the North, and there would have been no war.

Same deal with the Japanese: no Pearl Harbor, no Hiroshima.


826 posted on 06/20/2006 11:00:23 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: smug; orionblamblam
First, who the heck cares if we contradict each other. We're different people, we don't have to agree on every point.

Second, there is no contradiction. The South fought to secede, and did so over slavery. The North fought to preserve the Union, and did so without an ambition to end slavery. So when orion says that the war was fought for slavery and I say it was fought to preserve the Union, we are both correct and are not in conflict.

827 posted on 06/20/2006 11:06:01 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: smug
I have. I don't see how they diminish my belief.

Oh...that's why the Declaration of Independence begins with "God Save The King."

Sorry, in that period state's rights was simply a code phrase for slaveowner's rights. There was no other state's rights issue that was worth a shooting war.

828 posted on 06/20/2006 11:08:32 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
You wrote to preserve the Union as it was.

As it was, was with slavery. Now I have to go to bed. I am tired and out of Tequila.
829 posted on 06/20/2006 11:12:43 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: smug
As it was, was with slavery

Slavery in the United States for 89 years.

Slavery in the CSA for 4 years.

Now I go to bed.

830 posted on 06/21/2006 1:20:59 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: hoosierham
A whole lot of the North fought because they were drafted,which is just another form of slavery.

Actually you have that backwards. In April 1862 the Davis regime forced through legislation which extended all enlistments in the Southern army from a set period to the duration of the war. At the same time it enacted conscription. By the end of the war about a quarter of all confederate troops were draftees, and most of the rest were there long beyond their original enlistments.

Contrast that with the Union conscription which was a dismal failure. Less that 7% of all troops came into the ranks via the draft.

And if I remember correctly,no one was killed in the firing on the revenue fort.

It, through some miracle, there had been no deaths as a result of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor would that make such an action OK?

The confederates bombarded the fort for 36 hours. Had they killed every man there it would have been OK with them. The fact that nobody was injured is due more to the soundness of the fort and the miserable confederate marksmanship, and not any attempt to limit casualties.

Odd that the people had to be forced to stay in a union they no longer felt part of.And just which armies attacked and bombarded which cities ?

Which side started the war? You cannot begin a war and then pick and choose what happens next.

831 posted on 06/21/2006 4:49:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
The fact that nobody was injured is due more to the soundness of the fort and the miserable confederate marksmanship, and not any attempt to limit casualties.

Soundness of the fort, yes. Poor Confederate marksmanship? Please. I'll bet you could take any contemporary artilleryman, give him the same guns those Confederate batteries were using in S.C., let him practice a little with them, and he would do little better, if any.

Nevertheless, since you're interested in poor gun handling and have left the impression to the casual lurker that no one was hurt at Ft. Sumter, there actually were two Union casualties from artillery at Ft. Sumter. They were self inflicted due to an accident caused by carelessness.

833 posted on 06/21/2006 7:14:13 AM PDT by Texas Mulerider
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To: Non-Sequitur
WHEN has your "research" EVER been balanced????

i once asked you to post ANY facts about the DAMNyankee invaders that made them "look less than saintly & perfect in every way".

you said that you couldn't think of any such facts. (i lol AT that SILLY post. one assumes from that post that you think lincoln & his merry band of crooks/filth/war criminals are equivalent to Jesus, the Eternal Christ.)

free dixie,sw

834 posted on 06/21/2006 7:45:35 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
YES, ma'am. as usual, you are 100% correct.

free dixie,sw

835 posted on 06/21/2006 7:46:52 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Is STAND'S feelings hurt?

Complaining to the mods are we?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1649522/posts?page=800#800

Missed one.


836 posted on 06/21/2006 7:49:46 AM PDT by usmcobra (A single rogue Marine, yeah that can happen, but a whole Unit, only a liberal would believe that BS)
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To: brwnsuga
fwiw, the best source for most of us, when we start to seek our ancestors, is to ask the eldest of the women in our families. they usually have forgotten more family history than we younger folk know.

in my case (over 25 years ago) my Great Aunt Millie remembered his birth date, place of birth & what unit he served with.

with that data, i was able to locate land records, his tax records, marriage certificate & his CSA service & pension records, etc.

free dixie,sw

837 posted on 06/21/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
STAND nobody cares, it's like a lizard saying his ancestor was a tyrannosaurus rex.

Only in your case he was just another private.
838 posted on 06/21/2006 7:55:09 AM PDT by usmcobra (A single rogue Marine, yeah that can happen, but a whole Unit, only a liberal would believe that BS)
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To: Mr. Silverback
once more, YOU make me almost ashamed to be a FReeper, as you appear to be a FOOL and/or so naive that you will seemingly believe ANY SELF-righteous bilge & KNOWING, south-HATING lies, IF they agree with your preconceived notions & obvious prejudices.

free dixie,sw

839 posted on 06/21/2006 7:57:05 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: usmcobra
i'll agree IF you start all your posts with:

the following words are the ignorant, arrogant ranting of a SCALAWAG, FOOL & TURNCOAT to my native state & the southland. - "usmcobra".

free dixie,sw

840 posted on 06/21/2006 8:01:03 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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