Posted on 06/14/2006 5:58:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
Confederate flags flown aboard the international space station — and seemingly signed by a NASA astronaut — showed up last week on the online auction site eBay.
The original eBay listing indicated that the 4-by-6-inch flags were brought aboard the space station by Russian cosmonaut Salizhan Sharipov in 2004, and an accompanying photo showed a sample flag that seemed to bear Sharipov’s signature as well as that of Leroy Chiao, his NASA colleague on the station. Yet another photo showed several of the rebel flags floating in a space station module.
The item was pulled from the auction on Monday by the seller, Alex Panchenko of USSR-Russian Air-Space Collectibles Inc. in Los Angeles — and on Tuesday, Panchenko told MSNBC.com that he removed the items from sale because he had concluded the flag and the authentication documents were forgeries.
However, Robert Pearlman, editor and founder of CollectSpace, said he believes the flags are authentic.
“The picture taken of the flags aboard the station says a lot,” he said. “It would be difficult to fake, given the style and I couldn't see the motivation to do so.” The “onboard-the-ISS” stamp, added Pearlman, is not known to have been counterfeited anywhere."
The disappearance of the flags followed a round of criticism over the weekend from former space scientist Keith Cowing, publisher of NASA Watch, an independent Web log. He cited the Confederate flags as an example of “bad judgment on the ISS.”
“You'd think that someone on the U.S. side of the ISS program would have expressed some concern about flying a symbol on the ISS that many Americans associate with slavery,” Cowing wrote.
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First of all, Yankee, the word you are looking for is agrarian, not aggrarian. I guess the extra g is an illusion to the word aggravating, which it must of been to Yanks who would come in from Northern crapholes to see the beautiful civilization that flourished in Southern ports such as New Orleans, Savannah, Charleston, and of course, my own city by the bay.
The war would have been avoided if Lincoln had just ordered the Yankee garrison out of Charleston harbor, it's all he had to do.
Not one person here threatened you. Your points are not supported by the facts, and people here are calling you on it.
They "abolished" slavery did they? Yet they still used "press gangs" to "recruit" sailors, and would capture citizens of other countries and force them to serve, and die, on British navy ships.
Amazingly, they failed to see the irony of this policy.
I Pledge Allegiance to the Flags
of the Confederate Sates of America
And to the brotherhood and bonds
for which they stand .
May our heritage and ancestry
not be forgotten !
Incidentally, it's not like you succeeded in changing Southern culture either. All the sins of the Jim Crow era and the responsibility for them all deserve to be layed at the feet of Yankee Reconstruction governments. The only thing the War of Northern Aggression accomplished was that you basically forced poor whites, who until then had owned land and were capable of supporting themselves, into the shackles of tenant farming and later on sharecropping.
At the same time, for the most part, blacks were also forced into sharecropping and tenant farming, except for those who had kissed ass to Union authorities during Reconstruction. They were provided with money by the Yanks, and given dominion over their less connected bretheren. Such wonderful Northern intervention, right?
Pull out a map and see which army invaded which lands. Then tell us who is the aggressor.
Amen. Any bets the perps on this thread are globalist eurosnot weenies with wet diapers.
Thanks for demonstrating why FR should require a mandatory history comprehension test before allowing folks to post.
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So under the law, the confederate states of america is an example of a failed state. [not to be confused with the canadian confederation's problems]
Therefor the confederat flag is a symbol of the failed state. A symbol of failure.
Additionally, the democrat party supported the confederate states of america. They vilified the republican president of the time.
Ironic that the party which celebrates personal failure, supported a failed state, and has a senator who adorns himself with the badges symbolizing the failure.
Just some observations...
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There is no point in getting upset over the confederate flag. It is just not worth it.
He was born in Liberia in 1844 and sold to Charlie Smith in New Orleans, (who named him after himself). There is audio of him from 1975 HERE. He mentions blacks trying to throw him off the slave ship and the white captain protecting him.
Just today I was talking to a retired volunteer from that rest home that knew him also. Small world.
Besides violation of the entire Section II of the Lieber Code? Yeah, some hero. He was a worthless criminal even under his own US military code, which in effect wasn't much of a code in the first place.
"How about the black former slaves? If it was not shameful to enslave the blacks, why woudl it have been shameful to enslave the southern white aristocracy? "
Except that after the defeat of the confederacy, former slaves were citizens, too, remember? Gotta be consistent here.
You don't deserve to be beaten to a pulp, but you do not understand the constitutional argument......slavery existed under the constitution before the Civil War, the Union wanted to change it, the Confederacy didn't. That, among other things, and we had a Civil War.
Nobody argues the morality of slavery, something you refuse to concede, inexplicably.
It of course is arguable to state that Sherman's march was unnecessary for the defeat of the South. But there is no relevant comparison of Germany/Japan and the Confederacy. Sherman torched what he wanted to make part of the Union again.....made little sense. But the Generalship of Sherman lacked discipline and the strategy execution lacked honor.
Quaint Southern sensibilities - discipline and honor, I know, but somehow we've managed to survive and prosper to this day valuing them.
Funny thing though about Sherman. Not too many military people come from around the world to study his tactics. They still study Lee and Jackson to this day.....
Soldiers the world over aspire and study to be like Lee and Jackson, but not Sherman.
Those agitators have been rode hard and put up wet all over this thread.
It is totally a misnomer to compare the Republicans of yesteryear with the Republicans of today, and the same applies to the Democrats. When my son was first learning about parties in school, he came up with the question about why if we had all been Democrats, why we were now all Republicans. My answer was simply that the parties had switched places, so everyone switched with them.
Are you suggesting that The Republicans of Lincoln's day were some how evil, and the Confederate democrats were good?
If I could teach anything about history over the last 200 years, that would be the most important lesson.
However, England was one of the "good guys" and eliminated slavery when it became possible.
France and Spain are never attacked on the issue of slavery, but those two countries have a very shameful history.
The most important lesson to learn about slavery:
The steam engine and the industrial age, made slaves obsolete!
Exactly how many slave-bearing ships flew the Confederate battle flag upon their jackstaffs?
None. That was the Stars and Stripes. The battle flag only flew in fields of war - never upon ships, and upon none bearing slaves from Africa.
Exactly how many slave holding states flew Confederate battle flags as their national flag?
None. Again, that was the Stars and Stripes. The battle flag never flew as a Confederate national flag.
I guess you never heard of The CSS Alabama.
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