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Linux? Windows? Huh?
The Blog of Ryan Vennell ^ | Ryan Vennell

Posted on 06/12/2006 5:41:51 AM PDT by N3WBI3

This is not a gripe against windows. I use windows on a daily basis and I know how to get the most out of the experience. With a little work, it’s a highly polished and reliable OS. But how much “a little work” can we expect of an inexperienced new computer user. I have also recently installed the latest release of Ubuntu Linux and have found that its ease of use is second to no other OS I’ve used as of yet. What this is, is a gripe against the mainstream OS and computer manufacturing business.

Mainly, new computer users don’t use Linux because they’ve never heard of it and almost no PC’s come with it preinstalled. It wouldnt be hard to convince a person to use Ubuntu Linux who had no experience with computers. The words “Free OS and gobs of free software instantly at your disposal” would win someone over immediatley. And if you think Linux is hard to use, read on.

“Back in the day” people figured out Commodore 64’s and Amiga’s (as well as early IBM’s and Apples) without any problem but today if you stuck 99% of people in front of one of them, they’d instantly transmorgrify into a sack of potatoes. The OS’s (and support services) of today simply produce people who are convinced that you can’t possibly know anything about computers unless you have a degree surrounding them. Simply, they produce dummies. The idiocy of computer hardware vendors amplifies this ten-fold.

I’ve put together a small comparison so you can get an idea of what I’m talking about. We’ll go Windows XP vs Ubuntu Linux 6.06.

When you (as a first time computer user) get a new Windows computer, the first time you boot you get the following:

* You get 400 trillion icons spread all over your desktop. * Your “blazing fast new computer” takes 15 minutes to finish booting because of all the packaged software that starts up with it. * Your system tray extends half the way across the screen which has for some reason been set at the stunted resolution of 800×600. * As a result of the preset resolution, you can’t fit 75% of the website that you visit on one screen. You have to scroll from side to side in your web browser. * You don’t know how to get to the control panel let alone operate in it so you can’t figure out how to uninstall programs. (You might not even know such a thing exists) As a result, for all eternity when you boot, norton, mcafee and pc-cillin all annoy the heck out of you constantly telling you that you should sign up for their updating service and buy full versions of their products. They all also run scans at random times for your 120 day trial (after which they still bug you) and this slows your computer down to a crawl on a constant basis. You also have AOL, Netscape, Netzero and other ISP message popping up every time you boot and no doubt 17 other programs asking you to finish or start some process that will no doubt ask you for a credit card number. * Did I mention that you don’t get a functional office suite? Yeah they give you MS Office…but in 30 days it will deactivate itself and demand $329 to continue use. Yeah there are free ones out there, but how many normal windows/office users have you ever met that have heard of OpenOffice.org? Maybe it lacks about 15% of the MS features…but free vs. $300+ sounds pretty stinking good to me. Heck, whole governments (local all the way up to national) have gone to using it over MS office and you don’t hear them complaining… * Do I need to mention how stunted windows help can be? Good luck trying to find out how to do something that you need to do… You can buy a book on how to use windows, but hopefully you’re OK with shelling out the extra $30 bucks on top of the extra $100 you spent to get Windows on this PC instead of Linux.

When you (as a new computer user) receive a new PC with Ubuntu Linux installed on it, the first time you boot you get the following:

* Well, first…you would likely have been told that the OS that came on your PC was totally free. You just saved yourself $100 off the price of a new computer. This isn’t a feature, but it’s worth mentioning. * Maybe one or two Icons on your desktop. They would be links to other hard drives that you have on your system. Other than that, the desktop if your domain to do whatever you want with. * In the top left, there is a menu that says “Applications.” Any idiot could figure out that this means “Programs that I can use!!!” In that menu, programs that you install are automatically placed in the categories that they go best under. You have Games, System, Accessories, Graphics, Internet, and Office Folders. There’s also a convienient option to add or remove options from this menu that you may or may not want. * You don’t know much, but you want to write a paper for class. Duh…the office folder. Inside that folder you find OpenOffice.org products. A word processor, Spreadsheet maker, and a Presentation maker. Aside from the fact that this was all free…you have found what you were looking for instantly…right where one would expect it to be. * Maybe you want to surf the internet or chat. Under the internet folder you find the Evolution mail client, Firefox Web Browser, and Gaim Instant Messenger. Upon starting Gaim you are walked through adding your AIM account, MSN account and Yahoo accounts all into the same program. Your browser suddendly is brimming with features, it automatically updates itself and it even allows you to open *tabs* which means surfing 5 sites doesnt require juggling 5 windows which are clogging up the taskbar (which is placed at the bottom of your screen.) * At the top of your screen you also see a “System” menu. Under this, your first two options are “Preferences” and “Administration.” * Under Preferences you see obvious options like “Desktop Background,” “Sound,” “Screen Savers,” and plenty of other things. * Under Administration you find more advanced options and a very special option called “Synaptic Package Manager.” This is your door to tens of thousands of free programs that you can almost instantly install with the click of a button. You search for what you want, Check the box next to the appropriate result of your search and click “Apply.” This program is downloaded, installed and configured for you. It now shows up in your Applications menu under the correct category and you can use it right away. While some people would say “What if you didn’t know it was there?” I would reply that any person who gave you or sold you a computer with Ubuntu linux would without doubt tell you about this feature. (My one complaint with the system is the lack of this icon being put on the desktop. Small gripe, but a gripe nonetheless.) * Also under Administration is the Update Manager. You open this program and it updates EVERY program that you have installed (yes you read right). It doesn’t just update The OS. It also takes a fraction of the time that Windows Update does and doesn’t require a reboot. * The center option on the menu system at the top of your screen is “Places.” Under this you will find “Home,” “Computer,” and a few others. “Home” is sort-of the linux version of “My Documents.” This is where your files for your user account are stored. What you put in here is yours and can’t be messed with by other users on the same computer. “Computer” brings up the drives that you can access on your computer. (It’s the Ubuntu version of “My Computer.”)

Those of you familiar with Windows are undoubtedly impressed with all you can do with so little effort. Ubuntu linux also installs in under 10 minutes and requires only one reboot. Updating it to the latest versions also takes less than one minute. The entire installation process is graphically driven from start to finish and when you insert the installation CD your computer actually boots into the OS to give you a preview of what you will have when you get done. (There’s an install icon on the desktop that you click to actually install the OS). It will walk you through Manually or Automatically partitioning your hard drive and setting up a user account, and then it will go to town. From this point until you’re done is less than six minutes on a midrange computer. You then eject the CD and reboot into your new OS.

Windows installs in 30-45 minutes. It begins with a semi-graphical/keyboard driven process where you agree to the user agreement (which, incedentally tells you that you don’t actually OWN the the OS, you’re just borrowing it from MS), and then allows you to set up the hard drive for the installation. It then copies some files and reboots. It enters an “out of control” stage where it takes over the installation and sets everything up. It will reboot two or three times during this process.After its final reboot you are brought to a prompt where you set up your user account, network connections and are prompted to register your copy of XP. (You don’t HAVE to register, but be prepared for a hassle if you ever want to call Microsoft for support.) You then must “Activate” your copy by sending your hardware information to MS. If you ever change enough substantial hardware on your PC, you must reactivate it by calling MS and having them give you a “special code.” I’ve done this before and it is about a fifteen minute process.

You then need to update the OS by going to windows update. This takes quite a long time. First you have to download and install Service Pack 2. This is a large file and can take anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes (or more) to install after it gets done downloading. You then have to get all the updates that are not included in SP2. After downloading these updates and installing them you will be prompted to reboot. You then run Windows Update again and it will find more updates which were dependant on the previously installed ones. Do this until no more updates come up. At my last reinstallation of windows i had to run windows update 4 times to get all the updates installed. Each time required a reboot. Now Microsoft has what they call the “Windows genuine advantage” which double checks to make sure you’re not an “evil OS stealer” before it will allow you to run windows update. You actually have to download a program, run it and paste the “special code” it generates into windows update which will allow you to proceed.

I should also mention that a base windows install comes with only “basic” accessories and software. It includes not even a trial of an office suite or anything else. This compared to the Ubuntu compliment of almost a hundred third party programs at install time just doesn’t cut it.

Now, which side of the OS industry do you think has it right? I don’t think Microsoft is Evil, don’t get me wrong. I actually kinda like the company. Their competition fuels a lot of third party innovation. I don’t think MS really does much “innovation” except in their rewritten definition, but they do offer rather pretty alternatives to products and some of their stuff does do a better job. I just think having started off on the right foot, they and the hardware vendors stepped on the wrong stepping stone at some point and fell into the river. Now they figure if they throw enough crap into the river, they can somehow swim out. I feel that it’s time for PC big business to go back to the drawing board and try building a bridge.


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KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; opensource
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To: N3WBI3

Thanks again or your help a few months ago. I am talking to you from Mepis (which is a really friendly distro -- others were not as helpful).

If nothing else it made a boat anchor into my travel PC.

Windows doesn't deal well with older stuff. And my Mepis has already proven to be much much more stable.


81 posted on 06/28/2006 10:38:42 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: ShadowAce

Typical linux fly by. Deny, but offer nothing else. And least you didn't stoop to insults like most.

Of course that's why he did it, he's admitted it all along.


82 posted on 06/28/2006 10:39:33 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Petronski
Nothing new about it.

Cybercommunism

83 posted on 06/28/2006 10:42:38 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Are you a regular Salon reader? LOL


84 posted on 06/28/2006 10:49:11 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Of course that's why he did it, he's admitted it all along.

You're wrong. This article confirms it.

So does this one

And this one

And this one

And the full history here also confirms it.

85 posted on 06/28/2006 10:54:44 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Petronski

I keep my eye on what leftists are up to, so I don't become one of their pawns. Did you know Howard Dean has hired people from Linux companies, like his campaign manager Joe Trippi, and helped convert the DNC to open source? Here's one of his postings on "slashdot", another favorite hangout of leftists:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70875&cid=6428904


86 posted on 06/28/2006 10:58:30 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Mr. K
but fail to recognize that no one would pay them anymore for writing free software

Many programmers are in fact paid to write free software. For example, Apple, IBM, and RedHat pay programmers to work on gcc and other open source projects, because the improvements benefit them. I personally have been paid to enhance an open source product I wrote, by a company that needed specific additional functionality.

Also, the large majority of developers are not producing shrink-wrapped software for resale. Most are developing applications for internal use, or web-based applications that only run on their company's servers. If software copyrights were entirely abolished, there would still be a strong demand for programmers. (Not that that would be a good idea).

87 posted on 06/28/2006 10:59:48 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Golden Eagle
Did you know Howard Dean has hired people from Linux companies,...

Hmm. Just like Microsoft. So what?

88 posted on 06/28/2006 11:03:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

From one of your own links:

"1991 In August, Torvalds announces his plans to create a free operating system"

Did you see the word "free"? That was his motivator.

"Linus Torvalds has said that if there had been a free Unix-like operating system on the 386 at the time, he likely would not have created Linux."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution


89 posted on 06/28/2006 11:04:19 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Free as in "open" -- not free as in "gratis".

Read the entire history to get a handle on his mindset. He wanted to tinker. Minix helped him get a foot up on the design since it was open. He also wanted others to help.

Free as in libre.

90 posted on 06/28/2006 11:07:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Dean's right hand man, his campaign manager, was hired from a Linux company. Dean coined the phrase "open source politics". Now the DNC is all open source. Hardly coincidence.

Democrats Tap Open Source

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617712,00.asp?kc=EWNKT0209KTX1K0100440

Knowing Their Politics by the Software They Use

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/05/technology/05systems.html?position=&ei=5090&en=269f1a83d00e9e51&ex=1246766400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1151518151-G68v1wUAgZtRMMZjpeHDWg


91 posted on 06/28/2006 11:10:37 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: ShadowAce

"Linus Torvalds has said that if there had been a free Unix-like operating system on the 386 at the time, he likely would not have created Linux."

You can try to bend the definition of the word "free" all you want, but it's not working.


92 posted on 06/28/2006 11:11:55 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
I learned quite a while ago that you don't learn. As a result, most of my posts are geared toward the lurker.

They'll know I speak honestly.

I don't actually care what you think.

93 posted on 06/28/2006 11:14:44 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Well hardly anyone thinks the word "free" means "modifiable" outside your tiny circle of linux disciples.


94 posted on 06/28/2006 11:17:40 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
You can try to bend the definition of the word "free" all you want, but it's not working.

You can deny the nature of words in the English language if you want, but it only makes you look like a dim bulb.

Words can have multiple senses and meanings. Grown-ups know this and have no difficulty accepting it.

95 posted on 06/28/2006 11:53:25 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Golden Eagle
You've not refuted anything I said,

au contraire, I have. Go back and read the posts. You just ignored the evidence.

Linux was created by a foreigner so that he wouldn't have to pay the US software companies for our products.

He didn't do it for that reason. Go and read some USENET postings. Some of the reasons included:

If you prefer foreign clones to our existing and superior products, just admit it and be gone.

That's just it. I deny that the roughly equivalent products are superior. That's why I use Linux. Windows is out and out junk and I don't like some of the things about the Mac. Despite its slickness, I don't care for the Mac UI. The gfx are great, but I simply do not like the way things are laid out; I also have something of a keyboard-centric philosophy (which is why I run the Ion WM at the moment). I don't like the philosophy of throw it all together and use a search function, and I don't like the way some of the profile data is stored. Last I tried BSD, it didn't support my PCMCIA network card.

Furthermore, as compared to Mac or Windows, I like being able to tweak my kernel. Sure, you probably don't care, but I like being able to do it.

Unlike you, I look at the technology itself before passing judgement. Granted, my complaints against the Mac were aesthetic, not performance (while I could be wrong about this, I thought that OS X was outperformed by Linux as well), but that is still a valid factor when choosing an OS. All other things being equal, why should I use a UI I don't like as well?

In case you forgot, America was meant to encourage a free market, where the best product wins.

96 posted on 06/28/2006 11:59:35 AM PDT by SeƱor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Golden Eagle; Petronski
Did you know Howard Dean has hired people from Linux companies, like his campaign manager Joe Trippi, and helped convert the DNC to open source?

OMG!! I heard Howard Dean invests in stocks and mutual funds. Some Democrats invest in gold. I wouldn't want to be like those Democrats. I guess I'll have to keep my money under my mattress. LOL!

97 posted on 06/28/2006 1:21:31 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Hey there,I have evidence showing that Democrats drive big SUVs,drink beer, and eat pizza!

Golden Bird needs to fly a little lower so the higher oxygen level will enable more rational thinking.

98 posted on 06/29/2006 5:50:18 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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