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Windows Vista Beta 2 now freely available but be warned
IT Wire ^ | June 8, 2006 | Stan Beer

Posted on 06/09/2006 9:35:53 AM PDT by MadIvan

Microsoft has opened up its new work in progress operating system Windows Vista Beta 2 for public scrutiny. However, be warned. You'll need pretty highly configured hardware to run it and a very fast internet connection to download the 3.5GB 32-bit or 4.4GB 64-bit version, unless you want to order and wait for the DVD kit which costs US$6.

In its product blurb, Microsoft has been very careful to stress that users will need the appropriate hardware to run Vista. The blurb distinguishes between a Vista Capable PC and Vista Premium PC.

From the sound of things, a Vista Capable PC won't do the trick for any users at all. It's just the old minimum requirement that allows you to load the product without being able to run it with any measure of acceptable performance or functionality. In fact, one of the snazzy new features, the Windows Aero interface, that has all the nice things available in Mac OSX, such as translucent windows and animations, will not be available at all. Therefore, the Vista capable PC requirements listed as: a modern processor (at least 800MHz); 512 MB of system memory; and a graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable, are basically meaningless. No one with any sense would try to load Vista onto such a basic system.

For an acceptable installation, Microsoft provides a second list of specifications which designate what is termed a Vista Premium ready PC. The configuration given is more like what is required to actually load a fully working version of Vista. However, one gets the feeling that if you stuck with the following minimum requirement specs you would have a system that runs like an ageing dog:

Based on what Microsoft developers have said to date, Vista is memory hungry so, at a guess, a 2GB system is probably the real minimum and who only has a 1GHz processor these days? In addition, Vista is supposed to take care of all its fancy graphics on the graphics card, leaving the system RAM free for running applications. Therefore instead of 128MB get 256MB of graphics memory. In short, double all the Microsoft minimum requirements to get the real minimum requirements.

Having said all of the above, unless you're a developer or an insatiably curious journalist, it's probably not a good idea to install Vista Beta 2 at all on any machine that is doing useful work. Anything as unstable as the Beta 2 version of a totally new Windows product could easily cause havoc.

Microsoft is encouraging users who need to buy a new PC prior to the release of Vista with labels that say Vista Capable or Vista Premium. Anyone who buys anything less than a Vista Premium configuration is probably not serious about running Vista and may as well stick with XP. The bad news for those who do intend to upgrade to Vista is that it's going to cost you big time. Exactly how much is still a secret. Steve Ballmer is reported to have said that you'll pay about the same for Vista as XP if you want to do the same things. Now that's clever. Ballmer knows very well that people who upgrade Vista will want to do a whole lot more. Taking an intuitive stab in the dark, US$300 to US$400 comes to mind.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linuxtime; vista; windows
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Ouch!

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 06/09/2006 9:35:57 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: ShadowAce

Tech ping.


2 posted on 06/09/2006 9:36:17 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

3 posted on 06/09/2006 9:45:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MadIvan
Your pricing is full of it. Windows XP retails for nearly $300, but no one pays that. Newegg sells XP Pro for $150, and it's about half that when purchased preinstalled on a computer.

Your analysis also sucks. By offloading the video processing to the video GPU, you reduce the load on the CPU. Vista will be no more demanding than a low-end video game. Which is to say, it will require a good 3d card. There are many cards in the under $100 range that will do just fine.

Business users will not require the fancy video effects and can turn them off.
4 posted on 06/09/2006 9:52:04 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
I suggest you take it up with the author rather than with the fellow who posted it. It is certainly true that Windows has required increasingly powerful machines to run it as time goes on.

Ivan

5 posted on 06/09/2006 9:55:39 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Vista=
RAM Hog
Processor Hog
Cache Hog
Storage Hog...........


6 posted on 06/09/2006 9:59:58 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: roaddog727
The machine I'm using at the moment was running XP a week ago. I got fed up after McAfee demanded that I pay another £30 to protect it from viruses. I also was getting annoyed because every single bloody time I switched it on, there was yet another Windows update to download, which seemed to make the system groan.

I had a Linux laptop, and was happy with that, so I put the same distribution on this desktop machine. It runs beautifully now.

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 06/09/2006 10:04:47 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Microsoft=self-distributing memoryleak.......


8 posted on 06/09/2006 10:26:00 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: MadIvan
I suggest you take it up with the author rather than with the fellow who posted it.

You are correct. It is a truism that software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster.

9 posted on 06/09/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: MadIvan

What this tells me is that the business community is going to greet Vista with a great big yawn. Just looking at the requirements tells me that every single one of those low-end Dell Dimensions that business is so fond of buying is going to have to be replaced (since many of them don't have an AGP or PCIe/X slot) in order to run Vista acceptably.


10 posted on 06/09/2006 10:44:18 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
I know plenty of companies that greeted XP with a yawn...and are still running Windows 2000.

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 06/09/2006 10:45:06 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Many of them over here eventually upgraded to XP for various reasons, but that usually didn't involve a new hardware investment.

Vista will, and I think its going to go over about as well as ME did.

On top of that, a lot of stuff isn't going to be Vista-compatible, or so I understand. Since this is essentially a platform change anyway (new machine, new OS, new software), a lot of people at large companies are wondering if now is a good time to switch to *nix or Mac OS X - since they're going to have a high initial cost, might as well save on the ongoing maintenance and upkeep costs (TCO).


12 posted on 06/09/2006 10:50:07 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MadIvan

This, with a more advanced OS, runs all the OS's eye candy just fine with 512 MB RAM and onboard shared-memory graphics.

13 posted on 06/09/2006 11:28:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Modern business grade machines without an AGP slot?? You're kidding me.


14 posted on 06/09/2006 1:43:07 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I got a Mini last September to replace my aging G3 - what a great little machine! Blazing fast.


15 posted on 06/09/2006 1:45:51 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: MadIvan

No way anyone will ever need more than 640k of RAM.


16 posted on 06/09/2006 1:49:41 PM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: Still Thinking
I recently got a new Dell Dimension 1100 series box through a corporate purchasing agent. It's got a P4-2.8 Ghz, 1 gig ram, etc, etc. I thought I had a real winner as it runs XP really well. Then, I tried to install SuSE 9.2 Linux on a second hard drive - crash and burn due to video hardware incompatibility. I immediately think of turning off the built in Intel video chipset and plugging in a substitute AGP or even a PCI video card - no go. No jumpers or bios settings to disable the on board video, and no AGP slot. My 1995 vintage H-P Pavilion pc, now retired, has an AGP slot, and I used it for years. My new Dell is actually a dumbed down utility box aimed at the corporate office environment, which doesn't need superior graphics capabilities.

:o(

17 posted on 06/09/2006 2:56:02 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Dumpster Baby

Well, "doesn't need" a thing is a far sight from "we'll be damned if we allow you to install" that thing. Seems like an AGP slot would be a pretty minimal expense to Dell, even if you don't get a card with it on the low end machines.


18 posted on 06/09/2006 3:04:35 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Spruce

What wasteful Assembler programmer could use up more than 64K? Let alone 640K.


19 posted on 06/09/2006 3:05:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Still Thinking

Wouldn't it be cool to have a time machine so you could go back and grab expert byte-counting assembly programmers from the old days and show him this modern stuff? Their eyes would roll back in their heads and down they would go. I started out with Z80 and 6502 stuff, and have even written chained Basic programs to run on a 5K Vic-20 with a 3.5K TPA after the OS loaded. "hmmm, I need to shave 500 bytes off ... where, how???"


20 posted on 06/09/2006 3:15:34 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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