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Lawyer to request Duke accuser’s records
MSNBC ^ | Updated: 10:26 a.m. ET May 18, 2006 | staff

Posted on 05/18/2006 11:54:48 AM PDT by Perdogg

DURHAM, N.C. - An attorney for one of three Duke University lacrosse players charged with rape wants prosecutors to release evidence they’ve collected, including the cell phone logs and any criminal history of the accuser.

Reade Seligmann was due in court Thursday afternoon for his first appearance since his indictment last month. His attorney, Kirk Osborn, wants to use what would normally be a brief hearing to ask the judge for records complied by authorities during their investigation, as well as reduction in Seligmann’s bond.

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KEYWORDS: allegations; duke; dukelax; falseallegations; phonerecords; rape
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To: dubyawhoiluv

Did he really get a lap dance at the Hairy Hole or are you being sarcastic or kidding around? Although somewhat childish, I think that digging up anything to make this loser, Nifong, look worse than he already is would be great!!!


41 posted on 05/19/2006 6:28:13 AM PDT by FlowJo
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To: SmoothTalker; All

I am also concerned about having the "New Black Panthers" sitting in the courtroom. These boys are at risk of being killed down there, even in court. If I were their attorneys I would want everything moved the hell out of Durham NOW, although that probably isn't possible.


42 posted on 05/19/2006 6:31:59 AM PDT by FlowJo
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To: peggybac

On Greta last night, she said the black man in the courtroom was at first sitting behind Seligmann and then moved to where the reporters were sitting (right behind Greta) and said something like, "I can't sit by/behind that f-word snake."


43 posted on 05/19/2006 6:43:09 AM PDT by I want to know
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To: SmoothTalker

"A lot of that is the type of students Duke tends to attract. They have a reputation in the state for bringing in some real spoiled brats who have massive sense of entitlement."

I don't believe that, no offense meant to you, but that is a racist stereotype and whites like myself, have to start calling BS to that kind of labeling. Are those kinds of phrases used to justify mass action against and appearingly unjustified prosecutions against African Americans that run into trouble while at college. No, it is not. Are whites allowed into courtrooms to repeatedly make violent threats against accused African Americans. No, they are not. Are African Americans student athletes accused of sexual crimes afforded the same kind of negative sensational national press coverage......I could go on.....this case shows just how much trouble this country is in. Whites embarked on an honorable journey a generation ago to make this a more racially just society. We blew it, because we have failed to stand up to racism in minority communities. We have become cowards, and that has become the problem.


44 posted on 05/19/2006 7:11:45 AM PDT by ronnieb
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To: VaFarmer
You are right in many regards however

"hiring a black stripper for a keg party"

They tried to hire non-black strippers. They were sent the wrong "product" from the "service provider". The lax team's quality assurance department failed in its incoming acceptance testing.

"there are very few bars or clubs with nude dancers"

Actually there are several within driving distance and there have been for years. There is one place that has put signs up and down I-85 causing problems for the parents of young children. I think the lax team wanted to have a stripper party but not in a public place where someone could see them and report on their activities. I'm sure at the time the private party seemed like a good idea.
45 posted on 05/19/2006 7:27:35 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: SmoothTalker
They have a reputation in the state for bringing in some real spoiled brats who have massive sense of entitlement.

It's not entitlement if you earned it against long odds. Doing that is called accomplishment. Complaining about others' "sense of entitlement" is the way people who weren't willing to work as hard try to devalue the accomplishments of those that were. Otherwise known as sour grapes.
46 posted on 05/19/2006 7:35:23 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
That is an accomplishment and some people do achieve against long odds. A lot of those kids at Duke though have never worked a day in their lives. Not even in the classroom. Were they born to normal backgrounds they wouldn't be at a name school. Duke became a nationally important school because Terry Sanford started a program of targeting and recruiting underachieving kids from extremely wealthy backgrounds. Those students families gave a tremendous amount of money to Duke which allowed it to become the school it is today.
47 posted on 05/19/2006 12:05:13 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Peach

Saw that. He laughed about the alibi too. Hope he laughs as much once this thing's over. Hopefully with his disbarment. What was Easley thinking when he appointed this guy. I don't know when I've seen such unprofessionalism.


48 posted on 05/19/2006 12:29:20 PM PDT by Sue Perkick
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To: SmoothTalker; Dukie07; RecallMoran
Don't be disrespecting my man Terry Sanford.

RANT COMING ON. Some of you may want to skip this...

I was there when Terry Sanford was there. One of Terry Sanford's last duties was to shake my hand to award me the final of my three degrees from Duke. Terry Sanford was a friend of mine.

You don't know Terry Sanford and you don't know what you are talking about.

Duke's admissions process is now and has been "needs blind". The applicant's credentials are examined and you are in or out based on that alone without reference to financial status. If you had any idea what credentials are required then you could not possibly support the statement that they "never worked a day in their lives". And strictly academic credentials - a 1600 SAT and class valedictorian, all by themselves, won't get you in either. You have to show that you have a life away from the books and something to add to the university. Everybody who is there gets in against long odds and it's quite an accomplishment to do so.

After you are admitted, Duke will work to put together a financial aid package that will allow you to attend based on their estimate of your families finances. People that are well off enough to pay the full freight are asked to do so. The reason tuition is so high is that the tuition from those paying full freight is used to offset the tuition for those who can't.

If you are not admitted on the first go, in a very small number of cases - being the child of a big donor, a Duke legacy or an athlete - will get you flagged for a second look. In each case the person who is accepted is able to do the work but may not have credentials quite as high as those accepted initially. As a practical matter, it does no one any good for one of these "second looks" to fail out. (e.g. hey Mr. Donor Dad - we failed out your kid. Can we have some more money?) I know people (alums) who have given significantly to Duke and whose kids did not get in.

People like you piss and moan about the small number of slightly-less-qualfied big donor's kids getting in, but those people are paying for the education of many many other kids who could not afford to go. I think it's a good compromise. If you look really hard, then yes, you can find a student who is a true screw up and should not have gotten in but those are very few and far between.

And as far as the athletes are concerned, all you have to do is to look up the Graduation Success Rate (GSR) of Duke athletes on the NCAA web site. The lax team has a 100% GSR. And I can tell you first hand that there are no "gut" majors for these people to slide through. And if you think that the lax team members got to the level of athletic ability they needed to get recruited by a top 5 program by "not working a day in their lives" come on down and I'll have you put through a lax practice.

Furthermore, as I have said here repeatedly, if Terry Sanford were Duke President, this incident would have been resolved in about two weeks. Among other things he was an FBI Special Agent and a WWII paratrooper. Not to mention the minor achievement of being Governor before and Senator after being Duke President. Terry Sanford was beloved by the students (who called him "Uncle Terry") and the lax team members would have trusted him and spilled their guts to him. Having gotten to the bottom of the matter he would have then NOT thrown the team under the bus and he had the horsepower to squash Mike Nifong before he could even get started.

Sanford's predecessor was Douglas Knight, a fine academic but a President who had no idea how to handle the campus unrest of the 60's. Terry Sanford kept the campus from being burned to the ground. Douglas Knight is a cautionary tale for current president Dick Brodhead.

49 posted on 05/19/2006 1:27:07 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thank you LB. And I have news for Smoothtalker; I am a Duke grad and my husband is a Duke grad. My parents were children of Arkansas sharecroppers and lucked out when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the army offered my dad a way out. 30 years, OCS, two degrees, watching every penny and 30 moves later he was able to send me to Duke. I have no memory of any TV from 1975-1985-I didn't watch it, I studied or read or played sports, did extracurriculars, or performed community service. My husband is 2nd generation Italian immigrant stock. His father learned how to be an insurance adjuster when he came back wounded from Korea. My husband not only got academic scholarships to Duke, he got them for his private high school as well. Both stipulated that he work first in the high school front office and, at Duke, in the kitchens. Incidentals were paid by loans that we have just finished paying when we refinanced our house. Most of the people we knew had similar stories or more difficult ones. There were some rich kids and those often paid the frat dues, meal cards, and parking fines of their buddies. I never really knew who was rich and who wasn't because it was all about being there--it was an experience to cherish and we all knew it.

As far as the ultra privledged are concerned; the daughter of Mary Biddle Duke Trent Semans--the director and president of the endowment--had to go to summer school every summer to stay in.


50 posted on 05/19/2006 3:03:18 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Oh, I forgot to say you are absolutely right about Uncle Terry. As an aside, he sent us all a letter when we were too vociferous at Basketball Games asking us to be more polite. Afterwards, the students began to chant "we beg to differ" in response to bad ref calls. He signed it "Uncle Terry". Dick Brodhead doesn't have the gravitas to cook his grits.


51 posted on 05/19/2006 3:09:54 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: RecallMoran
OT:

I was there and I remember that! (I arrived in Sep. 75 and finally finished in Dec. 84. I went to my five-year reunion and had never left.) If you were class of '85 we were probably at the same graduation ceremony in May '85. I believe the objectionable cheer was Bravo Sierra (as the military folks would say). We had been using it for years until the universal TV coverage made it impossible. Where else and who else could have gotten all those people moving in the same direction with a simple open letter. Brodhead would have had to have formed a bunch of committees to tell him what to do and then been unable to implement anything.

At my undergraduate graduation in '79, a group of guys I knew sneaked into Wallace Wade (things were way looser then) and strung a horizontal wire from one end of the open horseshoe to the other. During the middle of Terry's speech they had it set up so that a banner pulled out horizontally along the wire behind Terry and those on the podium but in front of the graduates and their parents. The banner read "Go to Hell Carolina". Of course, Terry didn't see it at first and was wondering what was going on with the hubbub in the crowd. When someone tugged on his robe and pointed it out to him he had some perfect bon mot just on the spur of the moment. I wish I could remember what it was.

If I had had the nerve, I wanted to repeat the stunt last weekend and pull it out when John Hope Franklin was wallowing in the racial events of the 1920s. The banner would have read "INNOCENT - NO LYNCH MOBS ANYMORE".
52 posted on 05/19/2006 4:01:58 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Peach

That's was sikening too. I'm shocked the judge let that go.

I've never seem giggling like that in a court room from an official


53 posted on 05/19/2006 4:17:44 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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To: Locomotive Breath

May '85 Graduation Speaker-- Theodore Hessburg, former president of Notre Dame. Libby Dole sitting there while Hessburg droned on and on with a speeh pulled out of a civil rights suitcase from 1985.
May '83 Graduation Speaker--Mary Biddle Duke Trent Semans. Protested because her ancestors were robber barons and she wasn't of the "intellectual elite."
Chanticleer Theme 1985--"South of the Border"

Apparently the tiny beginnings of a trend.


54 posted on 05/19/2006 4:17:55 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: luv2ski
Protest in front of Mr. Nifong's house. Every single day until this goes to trail.
55 posted on 05/19/2006 4:23:06 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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