Rape Accuser Had Photo ID'd Possible DNA Match

Sorry, howlin, I don't have it.

201 posted on 05/12/2006 9:41:20 AM PDT by Peach

To: Vn_survivor_67-68

That isn't going to stop him from spinning it into an indictment.

Somebody needs to throw a net over this bastard.

202 posted on 05/12/2006 9:46:04 AM PDT by Jezebelle

To: Locomotive Breath

"Lip Sync" was a major highlight of the year but held somewhere in the back of "new dorms" (edens, I guess). I remember drinking directly from the spout of a "beer truck".
One of my roommates was the daughter of an extremely well-to-do alumni. He still gives millions to the University. She had multiple issues involving kleptomania, cheating, not showing up for exams etc. (not including her unbelievable records for sleeping with entire frats before moving on to the next, but the admin didn't care about that). She was a permanent fixture in Dean Sue's office but never managed to get into trouble. I'm sure she would have except for who daddy and daddy's buddies were. The stories around the Duke heirs (some I witnessed) was even worse. Depending on who these guys are has a lot to do with what Dean Sue was willing to do to them.
While I was there she was busily moving successful high spirited frats to unattractive housing either on east or in new dorms to bring down their rush numbers. From what I hear she has succeeded mightily. I would be interested if some of the richer frats like the Betas, SPes and SAEs kept their west campus spots. I still think Brodhead was behind keeping all parents out of the loop though.

203 posted on 05/12/2006 9:46:27 AM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)

I've never been to Durham. Been to Raleigh and liked it. Don't plan to go to Durham for a long time, if ever.

I keep imagining some poor soul who just bought the Century 21 or Coldwall-Banker franchise in Durham or the poor family that just put their house on the market. Imagine holding an open house and nobody shows up.

204 posted on 05/12/2006 9:47:14 AM PDT by ladyjane

To: Locomotive Breath

So he got those preliminary negative results back from SBI and then sat down CGM for a photo lineup. Hmmm...

You got it...

Look at the interview for the 3/4 guys she identified

IMAGE 4: [redacted]

Sgt: Did you recognize that person?

Victim: He looked like [redacted] but I'm not sure.

Sgt: Who is {redacted]?

Victim: One of the guys that assaulted me.

Sgt: One of the guys that assaulted you? ok.

Victim: Um hum.

Image 5: [redacted]

Victim: He looks like one of the guys who assaulted me sort.

Sgt: Ok. How um, how sure of it are you on this image?

Victim: He looks just like him without the mustache.

Sgt: Ok, so the person had a mustache?

Victim: Yes.

Sgt: Percentage wise, what is the likelihood this is one of the gentleman who assaulted you?

Victim: 90%

Note: no other questions about what they did... strangle, penetrate, etc...

But, when it gets to RS and CF... we have this...

Image 7: RS

Victim: He looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.

Sgt: How sure of that are you?

Victim: 100%

Sgt: You're a 100% sure. ok.

Victim: Yes

Sgt: How did he assault you? Which on was he?

Victim: He was the one that was standing in front of me.. um.. that made me perform oral sex on him.

Sgt: What else did he do?

Victim: That was it.

NOTE: Inv. Clayton motioned for me to repeat that for him.

Sgt: He was the one that was standing in front of her that made her perform oral sex. 100% sure that would have been Image #7.

IMAGE 40: CF

Victim: He is the guy who assaulted me.

Sgt: What did he do?

Victim: He put his p... in my a.... and my v.... (The victim's eyes are pooling with tears)

Sgt: Was he the first or second one to do that?

Victim: The second one..

Sgt: Is he the one that strangled you or not?

Victim: No.

Sgt: So that is the gentleman who put his p... in your a...; Picture 40.

Did they already have the inconclusive DNA for one of these guys so they didn't need any other details... They asked if CF was the one who strangled her just for show... They already knew the strangler was going to be the DNA guy...

This interview is very contrived and almost staged in appearance..

The way I read this, she is claiming that CF and RS held her while Pancho Villa did his thang, then Pancho Villa held her by the neck while CF did his thang, then RS got his turn... Sometime after Pancho Villa did his attack and moved into the strangulation hold is when she lost her fingernail scratching at his arm.. Does that sound right?

205 posted on 05/12/2006 9:49:17 AM PDT by darbymcgill

The first DNA results came in BEFORE the photo line-up, and that's why thins stinks so badly.

206 posted on 05/12/2006 9:49:19 AM PDT by Jezebelle

I simplified it---
here's a link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2406672

....Bob Bennett, a former federal prosecutor and Washington attorney who represented Clinton in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case, is serving as a spokesman for a group calling itself the Committee for Fairness to Duke Families....

...He is not expected to represent any players, but he has joined the chorus of those who fear for the reputation of the team and the university....

207 posted on 05/12/2006 9:50:14 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights

I live in what they call North Raleigh, but I'm outside the new beltline, 540. My stepdaughter has a house at Hyco Lake and we use to go through Durham and up 501 to get there; not anymore; we drive up 50 to Creedmoor and go back through the country.

It takes a little bit longer, but after what happened to that cab driver, we all decided not to take a chance getting stopped over there.

And, no, I am NOT kidding.

208 posted on 05/12/2006 9:50:23 AM PDT by Howlin

A couple of things...First, what are the possibilities that they could find DNA of a person who lives in the house...in his own wastepaper basket in the bathroom? I'd say...100%.

There was some interesting info about contamination of a site by the detectives etc. One thing that was mentioned was "change your gloves often".

It's extrememly possible that transference occurred when the boys saw the nails on the sink and threw them in the basket OR a detective transfered material to the nail. I'd say the odds of transferring OCCURRING are darn good. The kid lives there!!

I thought they took DNA from all the boys and I thought the scratching story was not in the early reports but came up after talking about the nailpolish on the rail.

209 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)

Yes, that's what I've been saying. It's the same result, just spun differently by Nifong.

210 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:10 AM PDT by Jezebelle

211 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:21 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)

Earlier the thread said that the father of Pancho Villa was a K street lawyer and mom a lobbyist. Which firm I wonder? Some are more impt than others.

212 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:37 AM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)

To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Sounds like Hillary made a phone call.

213 posted on 05/12/2006 9:53:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)

Nothing sounds right!!

214 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)

To: Howlin; OakOak

Post 11 has the K Street lawyer.

215 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:47 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights

It's not required in a GJ presentation because a GJ has the ability to ask questions and seek exculpatory information and bring their own information to the table. But when handled and manipulated by a prosecutor, they simply don't exercise that potential. The GJ system is a dinosaur in terms of initiating felony cases and is actually dangerous, as we are seeing. There are only about a third of the states that use indicting GJs to initiate threshold felony cases for this reason. Some states don't even have indicting GJs anymore.

216 posted on 05/12/2006 9:57:35 AM PDT by Jezebelle

217 posted on 05/12/2006 9:58:09 AM PDT by GAgal

To: Locomotive Breath

She'd had the benefit of weeks of their faces being plastered all over town by then, along with the names attached to the faces. If you think she picked the two wealthiest players by chance, boy, have I got a bridge to sell you! ;>

218 posted on 05/12/2006 9:59:28 AM PDT by Jezebelle

No, that is the entire point my previous post attempted to make.

They are claiming it was human flesh under the nails, as in ***a piece of flesh that was scratched off of someone's body*** by the AV, supposedly. As for when the scratching story came up, I don't know for sure but I believe it was fairly near the beginning of this mess, maybe not right at the very beginning.

If this is what they are going with, that it was a piece of human flesh that she scratched off a guy and it stuck under the nail, then it can't be refuted simply by saying the nail could have picked up a few cells from material that would normally be in the bathroom wastebasket.

219 posted on 05/12/2006 10:01:15 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)

Really facinating. Then the prosecutor/city can't be sued because they used a grand jury. Extremely dangerous situation especially with an ignorant GJ.

220 posted on 05/12/2006 10:01:51 AM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)

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