Posted on 05/05/2006 7:21:22 AM PDT by churchillbuff
My identity isn't at issue. Look at my homepage, I'm quite candid about who and what I am.
However, I DO have issues with nosy governments in their rush to trample on guaranteed rights that were secured for us all in trhe BoR.
Didn't a nosy government come up with and adopt that bill of rights?
Identity and something reflecting it accurately is the ENTIRE issue of this thread sir.
I asked you a couple of fair questions and I notice you are refusing to answer them. So I will ask one more time.
What kind of ID do you support and in what contexts do you feel an accurate ID is needed?
Am I to take from this post that the answer to that is your homepage on FR?????
Please now, I am about personal security in the area of Identification that is accurate and functional. This extends to National security by adding all people's safety in ID together. Indeed, National security is a by product of what it is I seek. A good by product at that.
Yet again your claim is destroyed as the meaningless spin that it is.
A warrant to ID you? Are you serious? Lets see now, you need an ID to gain a warrant....and you want a warrant to gain an ID? How can you gain a warrant if you do not first establish ID of the person to be searched?
If you cannot see that for what it is then I cannot help you.
I absolutely beleive in innocent until proven guilty. I believe ID helps to prove both and thus approve of it. In this thread I offered the DUKE example. His ATM and the camera's at the ATM prove that he was not at the place of the attack when the accuser said he was there. ID proves innocence and it sure appears you seek to delete that tool.
"so that they can keep track of you" there you go again....use/abuse rather than ID itself.
By this notion you are saying that your SS# is unconstitutional. All Tax ID #'s are unconstitutional for evey business.
Your last paragraph is interesting. That which I advocate removes the very thing you complain about even in the private sector example you cite. Yet you oppose my position.
Just giving what I am getting! But I agree with what you said in this post.
I answered them. I said a state issued DL with no enhancements beyond a pic of my pretty lil' face.
And the purpose of what I answered is to prove I can drive and I'm me.
The rest is nonsense.
And that "But if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" chimera is just that. A chimera.
My liberty is more important than national security. Get it?
Franklin was right....and you are SO wrong.
I probably won't. The comparisonis rather apt--though Hitler will end up looking like a choir boy, relgatively speaking.
As I have said on this thread I am not advocating augmentation with another ID, I pose replacing the OH SO MANY ones we have today with one standard ID used for many processes. This is reduction not augmentation. This is about eliminating redundnacy and improving productivity.
Oh, we have been aware for at least a decade or 3 that one of the seeling points was slated to be the convenience and reduction in number of ID's. Nothing new on that point.
Your claim that I want "increasingly powerful and intrusive bureaucracy" is simply false. I want less intrusiveness in that my ID will notbe stolen AGAIN! I do not seek any more power for an ID than it deserves, that being the act of properly identitfying its owner accurately. Are you really against such a thing? If so, WHY? Afraid of personal responsibility are we????
Glad to be wrong about you and bureaucracy. Actually, I think we have sufficient means to identify folks accurately currently. Particularly if enforced.
I resent your allegation about fear of personal responsibility. Little could be further from the truth.
Tyranny is not fun. Sloppiness in the bureaucratic system affords more room for innocent folks to escape tyranny a bit longer; enjoy some of their freedom birthright a bit longer.
Conservative human nature wants to see people held to account for their own choices and actions. I am one such person. Are you?
Certainly I prefer to see people held to account for their own choices and actions. But not always or even primarily by the bureaucracy.
1. Families need strengthened to the point that folks are held to account powerfully and decisively within the context of their families and their family values and effective attachments. THAT SINGLE ISSUE would dramatically solve the problem of personal responsibility.
2. For the last 200 years, whenever statistics have been kept, whenever church attendance has increased, crime has gone down. Strengthening the value, viability and practice of Judeo/Christian values would dramatically increase the degree of personal accountability to a far Higher and more thoroughly effective Power than the bureaucracy. Only Holy Spirit searches the intents of the heart and motivates folks to behave according to His standard accordingly.
Bureaucratic based tyranny tends to increase the surface, public conformities that are more obvious. It tends to drive evil, corruption etc. underground, not decrease it. Evidence of Germany, China and Russia would indicate tyranny tends to increase evil dramatically. Personal responsibility gets shredded more thoroughly and more dramatically as folks increasingly blame the rules and the system--often with good cause.
I need an ID for class right? For the grades? Isn't that an abomination? How do I pay for my classes without an ID?
How do they know what account to apply my payment to without ID?
Are you honestly saying that each airline should have its own ID. That each store should? that each bank should? That each and every business shoudl have its own form of ID exclusive to its own business. AND then on top of that have local state and federal ID's needed to function in those areas? All hospitals too?
Just how many ID's do you suggest we carry? Sorry, but I do not want a George Kastanza wallet! ;)
An ID is a paper. A warrantless search of papers offends the Bill of Rights.
A state Issued ID with your picture is a ciolation of rights, they can track you! LMAO.
This form of ID has P R O V E N to be easily faked and you just turn a blind eye to it. You refuse to address that entirely.
I thought a State ID was invasion and violation?? what happened?
Hilarious.l
Warrants are SUPPOSED to be difficult to obtain.
The cops have been doing their jobs just fine arresting criminals since before the days of Jesse James without any ID.
They didn't even have any ID at all back then.
I think that was directed at you equating me somehow with a terrorist when I just wish to retain my privacy and don't wish the federal governmnet to have information on me that's unnecessary AND unconstitutional.
Your liberty is more protected when you have an ID that is exlusive to you and with a DNA attachment how exactly could it be faked?
Your liberty is not protected by a icense with a picture on it today, yet you want exactly that.
You are funny dude.
The state. The state has an obligation, not the fed.
BTW, I could care less if it can be faked.
You just don't cherish your liberty, do you?
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