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To: BlueStateDepression
If I am not mistaken you are claiming that the bill of rights protects you from being identified based on being protected in your personal effects

The Bill of Rights establishes that warrantless searches may not be conducted on individuals. Do you believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty? If so, then you cannot approve a demand for papers without a warrant, because it implies that the person is a suspect, rather than a free and innocent man attending to his own business. I really hope you are not one of those people who believes everyone's a criminal.

That being said, if the airlines want you do show an identification before they sell you a seat on their privately owned carriers, they can do that, and they can choose the id of their liking or even issue you one themselves. But for the federal government to interfere, for them to require that you only use an ID of their issue and requiring you to hold one, so that they can keep track of you, well that violates all sorts of rights that US citizens are supposed to have.

If you are aware, too, you will note that they federal government is letting banks accept the matricular phony consular cards as ID, and it has no standards for accuracy at all. You should well wonder why the federal government has a lower standard of identification for illegal aliens, while enforcing draconian and unconstitutional standards on US citizens.
385 posted on 05/09/2006 8:55:59 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

A warrant to ID you? Are you serious? Lets see now, you need an ID to gain a warrant....and you want a warrant to gain an ID? How can you gain a warrant if you do not first establish ID of the person to be searched?


If you cannot see that for what it is then I cannot help you.

I absolutely beleive in innocent until proven guilty. I believe ID helps to prove both and thus approve of it. In this thread I offered the DUKE example. His ATM and the camera's at the ATM prove that he was not at the place of the attack when the accuser said he was there. ID proves innocence and it sure appears you seek to delete that tool.

"so that they can keep track of you" there you go again....use/abuse rather than ID itself.

By this notion you are saying that your SS# is unconstitutional. All Tax ID #'s are unconstitutional for evey business.

Your last paragraph is interesting. That which I advocate removes the very thing you complain about even in the private sector example you cite. Yet you oppose my position.


388 posted on 05/09/2006 9:09:10 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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