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Windows Anti-Counterfeit Tool Requires Loosening PC Security
Yahoo! News! ^ | 03 May 2006 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 05/04/2006 10:36:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Some system administrators are finding that Microsoft's new anti-piracy software is incorrectly labeling PCs used in public places, such as university computer labs, as counterfeits, and that the solution sidestep a basic security practice for out-in-the-open machines, according to a newsgroup discussion of the issue.

After Microsoft unveiled its Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications tool last week, a university system administrator -- who preferred to remain anonymous but took the name "GodOfLions" on the Microsoft "WGA Validation Problems" newsgroup -- said that lab PCs came back as running fake copies.

"I work at a University where we have a bunch of Windows XP SP2 machines setup in lab areas," said GodOfLions in a message on the newsgroup. "In these areas students are allowed to log on to the systems, but their accounts are restricted to what they can do. The problem with the WGA installation is that it works perfectly fine as long as you are using an account with administrative rights on the system. As soon as one of the students, or other non-administrative level account, logs on to the system it screams that it is not a valid copy of windows and it is counterfeit."

A Microsoft staffer monitoring the newsgroup intervened, eventually diagnosed the problem, and offered a fix: give everyone, including the student systems running under rights-restrictive accounts, write access to a file called "data.dat."

"Validation tool writes data to data.dat file during validation process," wrote a Microsoft staffer identified as "Satish." So 'User account' needs to have Write access to file."

The system administrator eventually gave in to Microsoft's solution, but blasted it as violating the security concept behind limited-rights accounts.

"It does not make sense to have to reduce security in order to validate the system," wrote GodOfLions. "Yes it is only allowing write to one file, but still that is another small area you can have users or viruses now write to on a system that it didn't have before."

He also pointed out that the Microsoft tech support document outlining the rights needed by data.dat were still incorrect, and needed to be updated. As of Wednesday, the document had not been modified.

"Our lead architect has been informed and we are noting the changes necessary," was the response from Philip Liu, another Microsoft staffer. "I apologize sincerely upon the WGA team for causing this inconvenience for you," wrote Liu.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: goldeneagleisamoron; microsoft; security
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To: ShadowAce
Everytime I think MS can't get more idiotic, I'm proven wrong.

Various patches already exists to byepass the WGA check that validates your copy of Windows XP with Windows Update.

Checkout this article on how to manually disable the WGA Check too..

21 posted on 05/04/2006 11:24:43 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: DonaldC
To have something like this dumped on the user base, when you already have 90+% of the market is irresponsible.

Or paranoid. Is Gates the next Howard Hughes?

22 posted on 05/04/2006 11:25:01 AM PDT by Musket
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To: zeugma

This might work also

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html


23 posted on 05/04/2006 11:28:09 AM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: ShadowAce

Okay, this is being inflicted on the Windows using world for one and only one reason: MS's proprietary business model refuses to come to terms with the fact that software is information, more akin to a mathematical theorem than to a machine.

When they start making money by providing service, rather than defending objectively indefensible proprietary 'rights', this kind of crap from MS will cease, until then, try to use as little MS code as feasible.


24 posted on 05/04/2006 11:29:10 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Musket

Well, Gates is trying to protect the revenue stream and I can respect that. They have made the investment and deserve the rewards. I just wish they did not demand such a high reward from us home users! hehehe


25 posted on 05/04/2006 11:29:54 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: The_Reader_David
...until then, try to use as little MS code as feasible.

I am 100% MS free, and developing code, being productive, and playing games.

Feasibility is not the issue--it's whether the user wants to go through a slight learning curve.

26 posted on 05/04/2006 11:33:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma

ping


27 posted on 05/04/2006 1:15:40 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: zeugma
Various patches already exists to byepass the WGA check

That's not a patch, that's a HACK. To circumvent copyright, of course. Funny how you always say "don't ask me, I don't do windows". Until it comes to how to hack it.

28 posted on 05/05/2006 5:25:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Zark off troll. Go bother someone who actually cares. Maybe you should try your left hand for a while.


29 posted on 05/05/2006 6:30:19 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma

Typical BS, when you should be apologizing for recommending that people run illegal versions of their software, and for pointing them to hacker sites that might trojan their systems. But nah, when somebody comes along to point these dangers out, you attack them as if they're the ones doing wrong, when it's obviously you we should be concerned about.


30 posted on 05/06/2006 5:17:11 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Go back to hell troll. I challenge you to find where I recommended that anyone run illegal software.  I pointed out the fact that there are already fixes for the microsoft anti-piracy software. That is hardly a recommendation. 

If course you'd claim so, because you contribute nothing positive to this forums, and instead use it to continue your trolling.

Remember folks, arguing petty semantics is the #1 sign you're dealing with a troll. It was true 15 years ago, an it is true today. 

31 posted on 05/06/2006 9:13:43 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma

There you go with your BS again, referring to hacks for pirating software as "fixes". You must be from some blackhat group to even think like that, much lost post such tripe.


32 posted on 05/06/2006 11:13:05 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

"much less"


33 posted on 05/06/2006 11:15:54 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

i repeat. Troll tactic #1 is to attempt to make hay over petty semantics. Get a life moron.


34 posted on 05/06/2006 12:35:19 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: Golden Eagle; zeugma

Yeah, zeugma! How dare you suggest that you protect your own computer! Don't you realize that if Microsoft says you're guilty, the burden is on you to prove you're innocent, and you shouldn't be allowed to secure your computer until you do?


35 posted on 05/06/2006 7:28:00 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH
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To: Golden Eagle
(1) Hack is not a bad thing when a tune the registry to get your windows box to perform better you have hacked it, when you apply new kernel parameters to get oracle running you have hacked it. Heck when you edit the host file to allow you to consolidate your infrastructure w/out affecting legacy applications your hacking something.

(2) In this instance the hack can be used to allow people who own windows to run it *without* giving world writable permission to given files. Are you against public labs taking this step?
36 posted on 05/07/2006 8:08:33 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Golden Eagle
Typical BS, when you should be apologizing for recommending that people run illegal versions of their software

He never said that he said that if you dont want WGA to run. WGA can make running a legally purchased copy of windows less secure to run in a public lab (read the article before mouthing off).

37 posted on 05/07/2006 8:11:04 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Yeah, zeugma! How dare you suggest that you protect your own computer! Don't you realize that if Microsoft says you're guilty, the burden is on you to prove you're innocent, and you shouldn't be allowed to secure your computer until you do?

Yeah, well, there is that. One reason I mentioned it originally is to point out the fact that no matter what MS does, there are always folks out there who can find a way around it. despite the best efforts of MS and others, it is still your computer and you still have full access to it. This makes it more difficult to implement a lot of this stuff because it is not just a black box that is not under the control of the owner.

Also, there are a lot of folks out there who bought computers, thinking they had purchased a legitimate OS along with it, who are now stuck with these annoying popups telling them that they are dirty rotten scoundrels for having pirated MS's software.

Personally, I think they'd be better off getting a real operating system than the junk toy one that came with their hardware. In addition to not having to worry about MS snooping on them, they also wouldn't have to worry about the thousands of viruses and worms that target Microsoft-based systems.

38 posted on 05/07/2006 10:28:34 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: N3WBI3
WGA can make running a legally purchased copy of windows less secure to run in a public lab (read the article before mouthing off).

Indeed. Lord knows, we could use a little more security in the MS-Windows world. 

39 posted on 05/07/2006 10:31:20 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: zeugma
point out the fact that no matter what MS does, there are always folks out there who can find a way around it.

That's not why you did it, Microsoft is not unique in this regard. You did it to glorify those that hack Microsoft software, because as far as you're concerned it's perfectly justified. In fact, you obviously encourage it.

40 posted on 05/07/2006 3:32:55 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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