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False Rape Accusations May Be More Common Than Thought
Fox News ^ | 5/3/2006 | Locomotive Breath

Posted on 05/03/2006 5:48:12 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath

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To: Fido969
If the man is intoxicated; then yes, it is still rape.

Any feminist law is perambulated upon the axiom: "She has Rights/He has Responsibilities".

21 posted on 05/04/2006 4:20:34 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Locomotive Breath
In the early 90s, this "translation from female into plain English" was debated. It was ridiculous. While in consensual sex, a woman shrieking No... NOO.. NOOOOO! at a pivotal moment.

Does she mean "stop" or does she mean "MORE!".

Moral of the story "No means no but almost anything else can mean no too".

You are exactly right -- that's exactly what was decided in the case I cited, too. This then led to feminists on campuses authoring campus policies which hoped to mandate "contracts" for those who date. No, I'm not kidding.

22 posted on 05/04/2006 5:01:30 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
See my comment at Betsy's page

Someone else said:
I have this nightmare vision of a future world in which we will have to obtain consent forms from our partners every time we have sex.

And I replied:
There used to be such a thing. It was called a marriage certificate. It was good in perpetuity and you also promised not to have sex with anyone else either.

Link
23 posted on 05/04/2006 5:22:40 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Yes. The Marriage Contract. I concur with your point. Fully.

The gay lobbies, however, attempt to assert that should they be "allowed" to legally wed they'd stop being promiscuous. Emotional rhetorical extortion.

24 posted on 05/04/2006 5:34:29 AM PDT by Alia
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To: cherry
because they're certainly are statistics out there that say MOST rape victims never even report what happened to them.....

Didn't you know? That's because that's all men do is rape, rape, rape!

Tell me, Cherry. If most rape victims NEVER even report what happened to them, how is it "known" that it happened? Word of mouth? Group hug therapy for "I was raped" wanna-be-celebrities? Polling data from College "Women's Studies" classes?

You bet your little diatribe p'd me off. Especially when you float out "I wish the women haters "..

Women haters? No. Women demanding to be treated as equals but then given more rights than anyone else? Does this constitute "women haters" to you?

25 posted on 05/04/2006 5:48:44 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Locomotive Breath; OakOak; Howlin; Peach; Carolinamom

Nifong claims he has more evidence.


26 posted on 05/04/2006 4:22:48 PM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: Perdogg
Nifong claimed that the DNA would identify the guilty party.
27 posted on 05/04/2006 6:17:57 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

I agree with you, I was at the gym and Abrams was on showing Nifong's interview with Rita where he said he had more evidence.


28 posted on 05/04/2006 6:20:17 PM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: cherry
I wish the women haters would get off this " false rape " accusation diatribe and their phoney baloney so-called statistics, because they're certainly are statistics out there that say MOST rape victims never even report what happened to them.....

It isn't a contradiction. Even if, say, 8 out of 10 rapes are never reported, it appears that 25% or more of those that are reported are false accusations. Apples and oranges.

29 posted on 05/04/2006 6:28:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Alia; cherry
"Tell me, Cherry. If most rape victims NEVER even report what happened to them, how is it "known" that it happened? Word of mouth? Group hug therapy for "I was raped" wanna-be-celebrities? Polling data from College "Women's Studies" classes?"

What transpires is usually known by those involved.

Unreported rapes, usually date (acquaintance) and those by wife batterers, are by no means uncommon.

I don't think that those like Juanita Broderick are wanna-be-celebs.

30 posted on 05/04/2006 7:12:39 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Perdogg

Nifong's claim is disturbing, as with everything else he does. His campaign website makes clear that for years he has had an open door policy--sharing his evidence. So, either he his not sharing or his promise is untrue. but he is also leaking that the photos time stamps are wrong, which should be verifiable. If his case depends on that, then if he is wrong he should drop it


31 posted on 05/04/2006 7:30:57 PM PDT by streeeetwise
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To: Miss Behave; cherry
Unreported rapes, usually date (acquaintance) and those by wife batterers, are by no means uncommon.

Okay, Miss Behave -- hazard a guess for me. Do you have stats which show "how many women are raped" but "don't report it"?

Do you think these "stats" are solid sufficient to justify false accusations? Rape Shield Laws?

You've supplied one: Juanita Broderick. And the very same Liberal MSM which called her a "liar" is now positing that "women never lie"? Fascinating.

What transpires is usually known by those involved

Well and fine; but how do you suggest this should be played out in a court room without evidence?

Do you think females should be legally permitted to define rape? Even in cases of consensual sex? Where's the line?

And the "men should just keep it in their pants" line used these past 30 years is just so much garbage. When no sex need even take place for a female to do the "'Arp 'Arp" thing.

So please don't give me that one.

32 posted on 05/04/2006 7:31:37 PM PDT by Alia
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To: streeeetwise

wrong as in inaccurate or wrong as in tampered?


33 posted on 05/04/2006 7:31:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: Alia
Yikes.

As to my point, many share details and physicalities contemporaneously with more than one credible person.

34 posted on 05/04/2006 7:43:49 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Miss Behave
Since the 1970s, the feminists went on an all out literary campaign to describe a variety, in details, of the "rape" that men do. Dworkin was one such example; and to the point some of her works were banned in Canada as "pornography". Dworkin and her writings are considered the relics and writings of a revered "saint" at ALL US (and most international) pub universities and colleges and required reading for feminist (women's) courses.

Long ago, in another time... a group of females "saw" things in common.. they were being vexed by the Devil! It led to incarcerations, deaths by stoning, etc., and I'd just hate to see history repeat itself; and I'm serious about wanting to see more than just "stories".

"Everybody says so" just has never held much appeal to me. I guess that means I'm not a populist. Or I don't give a rats about so-called "liberal" conventional wisdoms. Repressed memory syndrome -- suddenly kids are all seeing "weird" molestations.. and I'm supposed to just get on board the ole "their stories are the same!"?

Nah.

When women are in FACT raped -- they need to treat it as a CRIME and report it. Rape is NOT a civil rights issue: It's a crime. IMHO, of course.

Maybe the feminist legal beagles ka-chinging on the "pro-choice" stuff might want to consider telling their followers to report the crime, immediately? And that the press not go along with feminist "conventional wisdom" and wait for EVIDENCE to be revealed?

New math posits one can just guess at the right answer.

I'm not into new math.

What I've just written constitutes the epitome of the harpy shriek "Blame the Victim" in accusation at me.

No. It is women falsely alleging "rape", it is women who do not report ACTUAL rape, it is biased anti-male courts -- who bury the real victims of rape.

Women who do NOT report rape immediately -- only encourage by their silence, the rapist to rape other women. It's kinda hard to catch ghosts months or days after all the evidence and leads have gone cold.

35 posted on 05/04/2006 8:17:52 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

OMG.


36 posted on 05/04/2006 8:34:55 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Perdogg
I meant originally before the first round of DNA came back negative. In other words, Nifong has made optimistic statements that have later turned out to be incorrect. There's no reason that's not what's going on now.
37 posted on 05/05/2006 6:32:14 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath; Howlin; Peach

I don't know why the second test is taking so long, unless it came back something and neither side is talking.


38 posted on 05/05/2006 6:36:06 AM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Tawana Brawley.


39 posted on 05/05/2006 6:37:29 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Miss Behave; Alia; cherry

We know darn well there are *some* men out there who grab and feel every chance they get. They may even rape if they get the opportunity.

Most men know this too but they'll deny it.

How do I know: Listen to any man whose wife had just given birth to a baby girl. There will be lots of comments about how he'll deal with it when the girl grows up and starts dating.

BTW - if you had a daughter who had been assaulted by a high profile person, e.g., Governor of Arkansas or Kolbe the basketball guy, would you let her report it?


40 posted on 05/05/2006 6:59:51 AM PDT by ladyjane
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