Posted on 04/26/2006 9:14:27 AM PDT by Wristpin
GLOVERSVILLE - Michael Ward, the owner of the 2-year-old pit bull that attacked a small bichon frise March 31, will be taking the dog back to its breeder Saturday to fulfill his court obligations to remove the dog from Gloversville without having to euthanize him.
"I called [the breeder] and he didn't want the dog to go to someone he didn't know and he wanted to make sure the dog had a safe home," Ward said. "Everybody thinks that he's a vicious dog because of the breed. Everybody is being discriminating against it. [The breeder] breeds them and he knows better than that." Ward said he plans to meet the breeder halfway between New York state and Virginia. Ward is giving the dog, named Blitz, back to his breeder, but is not charging the breeder any money.
"I had two years with the dog that I wouldn't want to trade for anything," Ward said.
On April 7, Gloversville City Court Judge Vincent DeSantis ordered Ward to study alternatives to euthanasia for his dog after the judge determined the dog was too dangerous.
Ward said the dog had been neutered prior to the incident and a microchip has been implanted in the dog.
Do bulldogs have a reputation for turning on their owners or going on rampages? Perhaps they do and I've never heard of it, though bulldogs were very popular in my mom's day and she grew up with many bulldogs in the family, some of which she says were rather mean, but most of which she adored. Funny, I haven't seen any articles in the local paper or national news over the past three years about bulldogs killing or maiming kids and adults, though I have read literally dozens of such stores involving pit bull mixes and Rottweilers, and even seen videos of attacks in progress, in the same period of time. I guess deadly bulldog attacks have happened in numbers equally relative to their population as pit bulls and Rotts -- they just go unreported. It's only because there are so many more Rotts and pits. Yeah, that's the ticket. And IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO THE PROBLEM OVERALL!!!
The real question: So you're afraid of admitting there's a problem with vicious breeds, namely pit bulls and Rottweilers?
ROTFLMAO, thanks. Someone needed to say that and I don't think I could have said it as eloquently as you did.
These dogs are vicious, and many of them snap. What would possess a normal dog to attack a friggin' horse??
The "Fort Woof Dog Park" in Fort Worth was just ranked as the number one dog park in the country, based on cleanliness, dog-friendliness, and safety.
Do you know why it's considered safe? Because pit bulls are banned, even on leashes!!
More and more people are on to this breed. Soon, they'll be classified as livestock or wild animals, and will only be allowed on wild game preserves.
I did so a few weeks ago, and am grateful for the education. I'm a lot like Joe Six-Pack in that I really think that banning the breed is a terrible solution and he was very eloquent in stating why the dogs can be valuable and should remain.
That doesn't alter the fact that there is a problem. When an irresponsible person has a gun, it takes a lot for that gun to do serious damage. When an irresponsible person has a lethal dog, it doesn't take much to result in disaster for somebody.
Their aggression has generally been bred out of them, and I understand the French bulldogs are even taught to fly white flags. Many lines of pitbulls have also been cooled, i.e. Petey from the Little Rascals. They just rarely make the headlines as they don't sell much copy.
The solution is to get a CCW and carry at least a .38 when you walk your dog or are in a strange neighborhood. Know how to use it, and use it if a strange dog bares his teeth and comes after you.
I've had a cat killed and my wife and three dogs were attacked, all by pit bulls. If a pit bull even comes up to me when I'm walking my dogs, it's a goner.
SIR! I remind you that it is against the rules of the forum to speak so rudely to another Freeper.
My point is only that, in general, the cause that you are espousing is generally dear to the hearts of low-life loosers who live with their wives/cousins under wrecked school buses in the woods. Still, I hope that such persons will have an adequate sense of responsibilty to the community that they will keep their Pits securely chained to a stump (when they are not fighting).
Your lame cartoon does not speak to me. I suggest that you submit to the guidance of your intellectual leader, Joe 6-pack.
I am involved in organizing and sponsoring spay and neuter clinics in my state. I rescue dogs of all breeds. In my work as an animal trainer, I have recommended that an animal be put down. I just don't believe that banning a breed of dog based on the actions of a few makes much sense. I've lived long enough to understand that once it starts it won't stop at one breed. Germany can be used as an example. We disagree. That's life.
For all that typing you really never said anything new.
No one extolled dog fighting, just dogs developed for blood sports being in neighborhoods while others suck up the collateral damage. I guess some of us have different standards for how many maulngs and deaths are acceptable when other breeds would fill the bill as a pet just fine.
A good read about what the At Risk Dog industry is trying to pull with insurance law. Basically eliminating insurability decisions based on breed so everyone pays the same premium. The move will cause poodle to subsidize insurance for the at risk owners under the shared risk concept. At risk owners seeking the protections of the nanny state!
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/03/26/pet_owners_insurance_firms_in_dog_fight/
I'm not afraid to admit there are some vicious bulldogs, there are some vicious pit bulls, there are some vicious rottweilers and there are some vicious pekingese too!
I've read your posts and find them quite amusing. I follow no one and YOU are a moron. You advocate animal abuse and think that it perfectly acceptable. What differentiates between an aggressive dog and the tone of your posts. In fact, you seem to know quite a bit about people who live under school busses in the woods, are you one? From your posts it is hard to tell when you crawled out from under your bus. You are a poor speller and have quite a bit of audacity to speak as an authority as to the type of person who owns Pits. Your ramblings must be what we get when we allow prisoners Internet access. Are you posting from county jail, or a Federal or State Penitentiary?
I have an MBA and was a successful CPA for many years. I own rescued Pits. I now work as a animal trainer. The pays is great and I enjoy what I do. Hit the abuse button noob. I could care less. Learn some manners. Crawl back under your bus. Did you little feelings get hurt. Boo hoo!
And there are wannabe vicious owners, too, those who like to sturt around with a show of thier pathetic macho on the end of a leash.
These are the ones -- the ones holding the far end of the leash -- that I want to clean up from the streets of civilized communities.
You know what? I don't care. A Rottweiler just tore up a female mail carrier last week in Fort Worth as she was making her rounds. Ripped her right leg to shreds, as he jumped on her from between two parked cars.
My Bichon Frises are not going to maim anybody, on the outside chance one of them were to go on a rampage. But a Rott, or Pit, or Chow, can do lots of damage with one big chomp.
There are some weird people who keep wild cats in neighborhoods. They let their children play with these cheetahs, or lions, or bobcats, or whatever. And they say they're perfectly domesticated. In fact, they say the same things a lot of pit owners say. Such people are stupid, and dangerous, and deserve to have their animals taken away from them.
If pit owners don't collectively decide to become more responsible, the general public, which is at risk from these beasts, will step in.
I'm not going to take any chances. I carry a .45 whenever I leave the house with my dogs or to take a walk, and I won't hesitate to use it.
These two pits seemed to primordially remember how to "Bull Bait" after Katrina. They were shot by a Guardsmen.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/what_happens_when_dogs_attack_a_bull
(My secretary throws aways dozens of better ones every day.)
In that case, I'm still trying to find out why a conservative, who can call the media to account for misrepresenting, distorting, or skewing their accounts of military issues, the economy, welfare, politics, global warming etc., will grant the press full faith and credibility for the truth, accuracy and objectivity in their reporting of canine issues. I'm not saying these pit attacks were made up, or didn't happen, but don't you think it possible that the MSM, left on everything else, maybe just might be falling in with the PETA agenda on this issue as well, and consequently heavily emphasizing the ngative? Has that not occurred to you or have you simply dismissed the possibility?
"I guess some of us have different standards for how many maulngs and deaths are acceptable when other breeds would fill the bill as a pet just fine."
I'm the one that continues to be riddled with charges that, 'but guns are inanimate objects,' yet you continue to press arguments that sound soooooo evocative of the, 'if this ban saves just one child, it will be worth it,' of the mean ole' assault weapons ban. One mauling is too many. So we ban pits. Troubled dogs with irresponsible owners will still maul and kill kids and adults. I guess only the police should have dogs.
Heil!!
Best line on the thread so far! [^))
This breeding of aggression in and out of dogs is one of the reasons I, like you, think banning the breed is the wrong solution. I totally understand and identify with the passion behind those who want the breeds banned, but I think banning is a very poor solution. There must be a better way to solve this problem.
Another reason is one you so eloquently detailed in a previous post, about the young gal living out in the country and needing the dogs for protection. People should have that right.
Then there are the folks who have no business owning pit bulls. In my immediate neighborhood, two homes have pitbulls, and BOTH of those homes have jokes for fences and are THE poorest, most ill-kept, lowest income in this very defined area, and their residents are ... well, shall we say adolescent in attitude if not in age. I don't know what to do ... because I would come unglued if all the sudden any group, private or government, started cherry-picking and judging who is worthy of "powerdog" ownership and who is not. Just because someone isn't tidy with regard to their yard, or drives a work-in-progress 70s Camaro with half the body covered primer for the past year and a half, doesn't mean they aren't deserving of the same rights I am. My attitude is live and let live, and if I don't like the way a neighbor keeps his person or his property, tough cheeps, unless that neighbor physically endangers me or my property in the process.
As you know, my preferred solution is to be able to openly and legally carry a firearm with which I can shoot a dog loose on public property if I think it poses a threat. But that ain't going to happen in my lifetime. My personal experiences indicate that the chances of me or someone I love being attacked by a vicious dog in my lifetime are considerably higher. So in defense of my life, if I have to take to breaking the law ... well, it won't be the first time!
A few years ago, I read stories of how cops in Compton or some other low-income slum 'hood here in So Cal, were suddenly finding carcasses of pit bulls dumped in concrete river channels and other out-of-the-way places where they'd be removed by nature or garbagemen. Some people assumed it was folks getting rid of dogs that had been killed in pit fights. Me, I think the neighborhood had a manly good samaritan who was taking it upon himself to save human lives. That's what my dad would do in the same situation. Just kill the damned things where they posed a threat. Shoot, shovel, and shut-up, minus the shovelling.
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that I'm from Louisiana; I remember quite well when this happened. Hunger's a powerful thing. If it would have been as dramatic, you'd have probably seen footage of poodles attacking cats or rats attacking poodles with the same level of ferocity.
I'd hardly use an example of two dogs exhibiting the pack behavior of any canine in the wake of a hurricane as an objective guage of behavior. I suspect your or I would, if hungry enough, be out their chasing cattle on our own.
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