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Duke rape accuser's records demanded
MSNBC ^ | Updated: 4:51 p.m. ET April 24, 2006 | staff

Posted on 04/24/2006 2:16:50 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: LK44-40

Detective Rod Wheeler said on Fox that his inside sources at the PD have confirmed that witnesses who were with Mangum prior to the lacrosse party have verified that she was intoxicated.


241 posted on 04/25/2006 2:35:19 AM PDT by TruthHurts001
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To: TruthHurts001
I've heard that and logged it as an interesting item. But, at this point it is not much more than a rumor that was repeated on TV.

The neighbor publicly making the remarks that I cited is a much more substantial report, which is not to say that it is the last word or that the guy on FOX might not have it right.

242 posted on 04/25/2006 3:01:50 AM PDT by LK44-40
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To: Neverforget01

It explains a lot if it's the truth. Thanks!


243 posted on 04/25/2006 3:32:47 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: LK44-40
the neighbor making the very explicit and strong claim that he saw Mangum, as she arrived, walk up a driveway -- he emphasized that it was much more than a few steps -- and he was certain that she was not impaired.

I don't discredit what he says he saw, but short of whether she was stumbling drunk, the opinion of any observer from his vantage point isn't meaningful as to whether she was intoxicated.

Someone can be well over the limit for DUI, for example, and still walk in what appears to be a normal fashion.

Take a standard field sobriety test - a police officer typically will not ask an individual to merely walk from point A to point B, but rather will ask that the person do something less natural - such as walk heel-to-toe, or lean back with their eyes closed and touch their nose.

In fact, if you look at those pictures at 12:30 of the AV standing on the back porch, she is by no means "holding up the house." In fact, those pictures cut against the date-rape drug theory, because she is clearly able to stand up, balancing on only one heel, and at the same time fiddle with things in her purse. One would have to take the position that such a drug hit her all of a sudden, just at the next moment in time, right as she was standing on the porch or walking down the steps.

Perhaps she was mildly intoxicated when she arrived, but not stumbling drunk. Kim says she then basically chugged one and a half mixed drinks. If those are college kid drinks, that's probably half cheap rum half coke with a little bit of ice in a beer cup, or the equivalent of 5 or more regular drinks. If she hadn't eaten in a while, that alcohol could quickly hit her (combined with whatever she was drinking earlier) to where she loses her balance a time or two during her routine and loses her shoe.

Then later, when she walks back around to try to get her shoe back, she is intoxicated enough that when she tries to step off the porch on her one shoe, distracted by her bags and cellphone, and steps on that pile of rags on the second step, she ends up taking a nasty fall, hitting her head and sustaining cuts and bruises.

With a mild concussion and the effects of that alcohol kicking in, it could be an hour before she starts really coming out of it.

244 posted on 04/25/2006 4:38:24 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: LK44-40

I'm not sure if the neighbor could be trusted. Very early on it was said that because of the loud parties next door, he had called the police on the LAX guys many times. I'm assuming that he might be responsible for some of the underage drinking and public urination charges brought against the guys.


245 posted on 04/25/2006 4:48:41 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: LK44-40

-----The neighbor publicly making the remarks that I cited is a much more substantial report, which is not to say that it is the last word or that the guy on FOX might not have it right.-----

Perhaps.

The neighbor strikes me as a bit of a publicity whore...I could be wrong...he seems to see this as an opportunity of grandeur, to "be somebody"...even some of his statements are inconsistent with everyone else's. He also seems like he has an axe to grind with the lacrosse players.

My gut feeling is...he will ultimately be inconsequential as a witness.


246 posted on 04/25/2006 4:50:49 AM PDT by TruthHurts001
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To: TruthHurts001

I forgot to mention...

Did anyone notice that Kim made numerous mindless statements of the obvious such as "Facts are facts, and they're not gonna change"...stuff like that?

In my experience...dialog such as this...is usually that of an unintelligent person attempting to sound profound...but ultimately saying nothing.

She really struck me as a buffoon.


247 posted on 04/25/2006 5:02:18 AM PDT by TruthHurts001
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To: TruthHurts001
he will ultimately be inconsequential as a witness

Except on one point: He has said that he heard the AV say "I've got to go back and get my shoe."

His testimony as to when he heard that will be absolutely crucial for the defense.

Not a way in the world will anyone believe that that woman was beaten, strangled, raped and sodomized and AFTER that went back in to where her attackers were to get her shoe back.

So that single statement overheard by Bissey establishes that the rape could not possibly have occurred before that point in time, whenever that point was.

248 posted on 04/25/2006 5:19:25 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: vikingvx
Does anyone else find it interesting that they are asking for documents from Victims' Advocacy Agencies or Organizations? IMO that is where the real smoking gun will be found.

I sure do! Can someone actually access those kinds of records?

249 posted on 04/25/2006 5:41:02 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (I care for my pets better than Vincente Fox cares for his own citizens)
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To: TruthHurts001
I mean...shouldn't she be outraged about more substantive issues such as...that the guys are denying that the girls were ever separated for 30 minutes?

Exactly... or maybe even the second most material lie possibly told by the boys... that she and the AV were in the BR together... If she flat out says they were never in there together then we may have about a 20 minutes gap for someone else to be in the BR with the AV... But then she would have had to be standing directly outside the BR door the whole time to know the boys didn't shove a $100 bill under the door...

I'm afraid she's painted herself into a box by claiming it was a "pure T lie" that the boys didn't shove a $100 bill under the BR to get them to leave...

If she admits being in the BR together with the AV any time after the dancing stopped then she's just helped the boys immensely.... My guess is that her handlers have her saving that tidbit for the highest bidder...

good points....

250 posted on 04/25/2006 6:06:36 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: TruthHurts001
My gut feeling is...he will ultimately be inconsequential as a witness.

I disagree. In general his statements have been fairly consistent with the events as they planed out.. Think about how you would respond to seeing what he saw 3 or 4 days later. Especially if it was something you had seen similarly before.

I don't think the fact that he has them arriving together is that big a deal... He saw them go to the house 11:50 ish and enter the back door at 12:00 ish... Wonder what they were doing on the back porch or yard for 10 minutes... Could that be the interval for which the AV drank 1 and a half mixed drinks... Surely she wasn't drinking while dancing for 4 or 10 minutes... And surely she wasn't drinking while in the BR being raped...

He sees the girls go to the car together and hears one of them say she forgot her shoe.... He hears the boys argue about the $100, I think that's important... And he verifies that something scared the boys off when he hears them leaving...

Although obviously in it for his 15 minutes, I give him fairly high marks for remembering quite a lot..

251 posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:38 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Exactly my take on the sequence with the AV on the back porch..

I'm still interested as to why we're no longer hearing "she was smiling and talking on her cell phone"... Now it's only "she appears to be smiling in one of the pictures"

Another question I have is how long Kim was in the back yard during that period? 6 or 7 minutes of the AV on the ground is quite a long time in my opinion... I wonder if one of the boys went and got Kim after the AV fell.

252 posted on 04/25/2006 6:26:03 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: Mad-Margaret
I think court proceedings are public record. You could get a list of the paperwork filed so far by calling the court clerk.

253 posted on 04/25/2006 6:40:34 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Jrabbit

LOL Your mom sounds like my hubby's mom who passed away at age 96 last year. She was german and when someone would ask her is she wanted some beer, she would ALWAYS say "och, just a little sip" and then proceed to guzzle down half the beer. She never got a beer for herself - ever, but she could put yours away in a minute.


254 posted on 04/25/2006 6:46:07 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Peach; Howlin; Carolinamom
So she wants to 'pull out of the case'...

..you mean, like it never happened.

Does she get to say...'Just move along, I'm tired of this'.....and expect to be left alone.

I think it's a little too late to 'pull out of case'....

..She's damaged a lot of young men/reputations/job potential/schooling....

..I doubt the parents will allow her to 'pull out of the case'...without some kind of retribution.

Am I right or wrong?

255 posted on 04/25/2006 6:51:23 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

I agree w/you, Guennie. There are lots of passengers w/her on the slander bandwagon that should be exposed and sued.


256 posted on 04/25/2006 7:05:15 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: ladyjane
Rumor has it there are some lawyers in the area who claim they will spend the rest of their lives trying to undo the damage this DA has done.

This seems likely and for the entire team, even those not present. Its hype has been so out of proportion.

257 posted on 04/25/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: darbymcgill

"And he verifies that something scared the boys off when he hears them leaving..."

Ummm..perhaps it was Kim yelling to the guys that she was calling the police?


258 posted on 04/25/2006 7:30:05 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: Freee-dame

I might add they're looking at grounds to disbar him.


259 posted on 04/25/2006 7:39:56 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: toldyou
Ummm..perhaps it was Kim yelling to the guys that she was calling the police?

It was Kim... she's admitted she yelled "I called the cops you dumba$$e$"... then piled in her car and drove away...

260 posted on 04/25/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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