Posted on 04/21/2006 8:31:00 AM PDT by Perdogg
CBS News correspondent Trish Regan reports that defense sources say Finnerty was eating at a Mexican restaurant when the alleged rape is said to have occurred. And they say Seligmann may not have been in the house during most of the time the alleged rape was carried out.
According to a neighbor's testimony, the stripper arrived at the house around 11:50 p.m., although the prosecution may argue she arrived earlier.
The defense says it has time-stamped photos of the stripper. The first was taken at midnight, followed by a series of pictures over the next four minutes that show her and Roberts.
There is a time gap in the photos of the alleged victim between 12:03:57 and 12:30:12, when she's seen at the back entrance of the house and appears to be leaving. A neighbor said he believes he saw her in the front yard sometime between 12:20 and 12:30.
Based on the time-stamps, there is a 16- to 26-minute window in which she could have been assaulted. But, during most of that time, Seligmann may not have been in the house.
Sources for the defense tell CBS News that cell phone records show Seligmann made calls at 12:07, 12:09 and 12:11. At 12:14, he called a cab to pick him up. Driver Moez Mostafar says he got that call and showed CBS News his dispatch records to prove it. He says he picked up Seligmann at 12:19.
"He looked normal, nothing looked unusual to me," Mostafar said. "He asked me to go to Wachovia Bank where he can get some money.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
Oh, good Lord....what a mistake. I'll check back when I've got my head on straight. Thanks.
A question that keeps rolling around in my head....
I wonder if there are more pictures from other cameras?
There could be other pictures between 12:00 and 12:30, that the defense is holding for trial. I bet they released these pictures as a warning shot to the prosecutor.
Crystal Gail Mangum and the Need for Online Sexual Predator Databases
Wouldn't it be nice to know about these people before you move next door to them? Or send your child to work for them? Or entrust anything to them?
As previously reported on Brain Terminal, Dilby, Free Republic, Hugo Schwyzer, Redmen, Stand Your Ground, and WRAL (a local CBS and CNN affiliate), the name of the woman who accused the Duke Lacrosse team members of rape is Crystal Gail Mangum.
http://tdaxp.blogspirit.com/archive/2006/04/19/crystal-gail-mangum-and-the-need-for-online-sexual-predator.html
Crystal Gail Mangum and the Need for Online Sexual Predator Databases
Wouldn't it be nice to know about these people before you move next door to them? Or send your child to work for them? Or entrust anything to them?
As previously reported on Brain Terminal, Dilby, Free Republic, Hugo Schwyzer, Redmen, Stand Your Ground, and WRAL (a local CBS and CNN affiliate), the name of the woman who accused the Duke Lacrosse team members of rape is Crystal Gail Mangum.
http://tdaxp.blogspirit.com/archive/2006/04/19/crystal-gail-mangum-and-the-need-for-online-sexual-predator.html
Source here: USA People Search.
DURHAM, North Carolina (CNN) -- Defense attorneys for two Duke University lacrosse players charged with rape are questioning the process by which the accuser identified her alleged attackers, a source close to the defense told CNN Friday.
Under the procedure, the accuser was shown images of the team's 46 white players and told they were people police suspected were at the party, the source said.
The defense will likely file a motion to suppress the identification because no pictures of non-team members were included in the presentation, the source said.
Legal experts told CNN that authorities would not necessarily be required to show pictures of unrelated people with pictures of the lacrosse players.
District Attorney Mike Nifong did not return a call seeking comment on the identification procedure.
My view from a far is that what kicked this case into national attention was not the racial angle, but the feminazis. It that respect Duke, not the players, deserve what they get.
Duke and institutions of higher education in general are authority, are the establishment etc. Yet they hire these feminazis who do not have the good sense not to attack the very institution they work for.
Well if Duke is down 1,000 students next year, that is 1,000 times $40,000 in tuition or $40,000,000. There is some serious money being gambled with here. I wonder if the DADA refusing to talk to anyone but NC papers and talking only about his handling of the case is because someone has gotten to him and point out the amount of money he might be causing not to come to Durham in the next decade.
Well, we'll forgive you this time. Just be more careful in the future or we'll have to come down on you with great vigor. :-)
I'll be goooooooooooodd. I promise. LOL
I think the defense release of the pictures was targeted at the accuser, in hopes that she would recant before making the colossal mistake of falsely IDing particular players. The IDs were made on April 4, which was before the DNA results and the photos release, but I don't think the defense team knew she had made those IDs until just before the indictments came down.
So, the accuser was told the "pictures represented people the police thought were at the party". That is where they went wrong imo. They should have told her the pictures represented people who may or may not have been at the party. If she thought she could be caught IDing a police decoy or a mugshot of a burglar in jail at the time of the party, she may have been leery of IDing anyone.
I think by April 4, Nifong had been given a heads up by the SBI lab that DNA matches weren't found, and Nifong then pressured the AV to come up with IDs. Without those IDs Nifong couldn't have gone to NCCU several days later with his self-serving "As long as I'm here, the case isn't going away."
To say nothing of the fact that the DA actually broke the law by not having pics of people who could not have possibly done the deed, who weren't in town on that day/night, etc.
This law was actually brought about in the 60s when the police would have an alleged, black, accused, suspect in a "line-up" with 4 whites, for example. In those days the black suspect, whether he was the actual person who had committed the crime, would get fingered in the line-up.
Or if the suspect was described as tall and slim then the suspect was put in a line-up with four, short, fat people.
I think you get the idea but the original intent against those kinds of procedures was to make sure that blacks weren't fingered just for being black.
She would have picked out a partygoer in any case. This isn't like a rape accusation against a stranger. She was at the party and she could have recognized at least three LAX players in any lineup, although she might have made a mistake.
The fact that she made the ID on April 4 is interesting. By that time, were the websites up that had the information on the players? Is it possible that her third ID was one of the players that was out of town? Is that why Nifong won't release it?
Fri Apr 21, 6:00 AM ET
LOS ANGELES, April 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Outspoken critic of the liberal black establishment and men's rights advocate Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), today released the following statement about the treatment of the Duke lacrosse players charged with the rape and kidnapping of a 27-year-old black stripper:
"The white student athletes in the Duke rape case are deemed guilty until proven innocent by anti-male feminists and liberal black leaders like Rev. Jesse Jackson because they are perceived as privileged southern white males. The treatment of these boys by the mainstream media is deplorable. The nation has overreacted to this case because it involves the alleged 'rape' of a black woman by white males. The way this case is being handled is an example of race and sex discrimination. If these young men were black they would be treated with kid gloves; if the victim was a male this case would be laughed out of court. DNA tests have failed to connect these boys to this alleged crime; yet their mug shots are plastered in the media as if they've already been found guilty-where's the photo of the alleged victim?
This case is proving that Americans are too sensitive when it comes to matters of race and sex. Liberal black leaders and feminists understand this and are exploiting this weakness for political gain. This situation calls for calm and reflective scrutiny. Thus far, the only thing these young men are guilty of is hiring a black stripper while white. The reputations and lives of these boys and their families are being destroyed partly because of the students' own poor judgment, but primarily because of the double standard society uses in dealing with incidents involving race and gender."
Rev. Peterson is the founder and president of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), a nationally respected nonprofit organization that for the past 16 years has been providing unique programs and services designed to help men and their families. Rev. Peterson is also an author and columnist. For more information visit http://www.bondinfo.org
The accuser made an ID on April 4, but I don't know if she ID'd both players then. Nifong went to the forum at NCCU on April 11, and according to this link he "hinted" that she had made one ID: http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-723445.html
Meanwhile on April 5 in the New York Times and on April 6 in the News and Observer, stories about Finnerty's previous "assault" case last fall appeared. I wonder if the accuser learned of Finnerty's trouble, and specifically looked for his picture when the next photo line-up took place?
15 players had prior charges
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/422787.html
March 28th; plenty of time.
Of course, choosing the richest members of the team work for both the DA (easy to demonize in Durham) and for the accuser (potential civil lawsuit). In any case, we shouldn't be speculating about this. The defense should know all of this information based on disclosure.
And certainly, Finnerty's previous case makes him look incredibly unsympathetic.
One of those cases of "well, he might not have done it, but he deserves what he gets."
Never will happen. And, if it does, my daughter would be estatic because it would increase her chances of getting accepted. I'm a Duke grad (MBA). I have no problem with her going to Duke if she's accepted. 'Course we're looking at UNC-Wilmington and Campbell... Duke doesn't have a Pharmacy program.
Duke is rated "highly selective" and has a long waiting list. I do think they may get fewer National Merit type students who look good in the stats all universities point to as indicative of their quality.
They are very likely to get fewer NY/NJ kids with money who pay their own way. And the academic standards will have to be decreased, no doubt.
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