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Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast
ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26

Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:

Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.

Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.

12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durhamdirtbag; greedygrifter; lyingfordollars
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To: dubyawhoiluv
I hope the driver is black, he made a comment that they were polite and tipped him well; so much for the racist, arrogant, white boy theory the MSM is spewing 24/7 esp. that vile nancy grace and breathless rita crosby.

Nancy Grace and probably the prosecution will say that the large tip is a textbook example of trying to make yourself rememberable when staging an alibi. There will certainly be some sort of link to Scott Peterson.

581 posted on 04/19/2006 10:42:28 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: connectthedots

Good advice, connect.


582 posted on 04/19/2006 10:42:36 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The tree never falls far from the apple.)
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To: dubyawhoiluv

He's always struck me as rather clownish as the panel jokes around with each other. There was no collegiality going on last night. Williams was barely holding himself together.


583 posted on 04/19/2006 10:43:30 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: Warren_Piece
That's why it's such a great song. Applies to so many contexts. With respect to Nifong:

He hears the silence howling --
catches angels as they fall.
And the all-time winner
has got him by the balls.

584 posted on 04/19/2006 10:44:46 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Has it occured to anyone that this is probably not this lady's first dance.....I suspect the defense could find any number of parties she has danced at.....and anyone who thinks those gals only dance at those parties....is unbelievably naive..


You can be sure that if this case goes to trial the defense team will find out everything they need to know about Miss Crystal......


585 posted on 04/19/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Raycpa
I see you have nothing to add to the time-line defense except speculation. Thanks anyways.

LOL!

What do you think you are doing regarding the timeline? I am giving reasonable doubt scenarios. Apparently you need a refresher course on how jurisprudence (supposedly) works in this country. And don't think for a second that the defense won't ask these questions to Crystal Mangum when she takes the stand. I'd also ask her why her clothes aren't tattered and she is smiling into the camera while talking on the cell phone.

586 posted on 04/19/2006 10:45:48 AM PDT by Carling (It's Danny, Sir)
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To: JeffAtlanta
"Nancy Grace and probably the prosecution will say that the large tip is a textbook example of trying to make yourself rememberable when staging an alibi."

I'll reiterate to the Nancy Grace's of the world, that even if there was a crime here, it was not pre-meditated with elaborate schemes for alibis and doctored evidence. It would have been a spontaneous episode of drunken lust and anger. Very few real crimes are of the Perry Mason variety, with elaborate planning and deception and pre-planned alibis.
587 posted on 04/19/2006 10:47:16 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: dubyawhoiluv
Ted williams is a stupid fool who was on the D.C force with the shandra levy case, complete failures all of those nitwits on greta's legal expert panel.

Thanks for setting me straight about "Ted Williams"....for a minute I thought he had come back from being a "frosty"...besides the Red Sox don't need him...(grins)

588 posted on 04/19/2006 10:47:34 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Is this just another attack on the straight, white, christian male by people who are not SWCM's?


589 posted on 04/19/2006 10:48:38 AM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I agree completely. Nifong has to swing for the fences, however, and this is one tiny thing he can try to work into his developing misadventure.


590 posted on 04/19/2006 10:49:36 AM PDT by Carling (It's Danny, Sir)
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To: Alia

Uttering is often used in a legal sense to mean creating and distributing (usually with intent to defraud, etc.)

Common charge is "Uttering a negotiable instrument without funds to cover presentment for payment of such negotiable instrument" for a NSF check.


591 posted on 04/19/2006 10:50:08 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: don'tbedenied
I'm betting he doubles down on this one and arrests another player to perp walk him too for maximum press pre primary--and maybe this one will not have an alibi.

Whats really funny is Nifong refused to even look at the exculpatory photos. Had he done so, he could have chosen a suspect that was actually there. LOL

592 posted on 04/19/2006 10:51:12 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: Carling

My intuition tells me that in the end (perhaps months from now), Nifong and the dancer will be the big losers in this incident.


593 posted on 04/19/2006 10:51:54 AM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)
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To: Joan Kerrey

But in those 22 minutes, woman is doing many other things, and there are time stamped photos of her doing them.


594 posted on 04/19/2006 10:52:00 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: Carling
Crystal Mangum

Also known as Crystal Gail Mangum (just to piss off the feminists who believe even liars get protection while falsely accusing while males)....

595 posted on 04/19/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by Swanks
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To: Carling
I am giving reasonable doubt scenarios.

Then you agree that there are holes in the time-line defense, otherwise scenarios are unnecessary.

596 posted on 04/19/2006 10:53:50 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: JeffAtlanta

Didn't the cabbie say a $25 tip and fare? I though he meant total.


597 posted on 04/19/2006 10:55:38 AM PDT by Carling (It's Danny, Sir)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Early tee time...


598 posted on 04/19/2006 10:55:41 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: mystery-ak

Didn't I read that the AV was more skilled in one-on-one's than dancing?

More info here:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/17/pzn.01.html

JOSEPH CHESHIRE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY:

(snip)


CHESHIRE: Paula, well, first of all, let me say this for a living -- let me say this about what this woman does for a living.

Anybody that knows what she does for a living and the reality of what she does for a living knows that she could have received those injuries any time before 12:00 that evening. Now, as -- as this trial goes on, we will be able to discover exactly where she is. But the fact that she may have had sex with somebody after 6:00 or before 6:00 would mean, if she went to the hospital, they would show that she had -- quote -- "injuries," which is a word I don't like, but a medical condition, or things in her body, consistent with the fact that she may have had sex with somebody.

That does not prove that she...

ZAHN: Are you talking about consensual sex with somebody else, or do you think she was attacked by...

CHESHIRE: Oh, I -- I -- I...

ZAHN: ... some man not on the lacrosse team?

CHESHIRE: I don't think she was raped at all. I -- I don't think there's any evidence that she was raped at all.

ZAHN: I want to know why you think this woman, who you claim to know an awful lot about, would have made up this story... CHESHIRE: Oh, I -- I -- I...

ZAHN: ... and turned her life upside down.

CHESHIRE: I'm -- I'm not -- I'm not going to -- and turned her life upside down? How about the life of this entire community? How about the life of all these boys? How about the life of the university? How about the life of the racial relations in the city of Durham?

ZAHN: Well, what's in it for her?

CHESHIRE: I mean, I'm really -- I -- I have to tell you the truth.

Well, I mean, I could give you all kind of things that are in it for -- for her. I -- I don't know exactly what was in her that night, but she was clearly under the influence of something very strong when she got to the party.

ZAHN: Mr. Cheshire, you said you and your team know an awful lot about this woman, about her background, and this story will not stand up in court. What do you mean by that? What do you know?

CHESHIRE: Well, I'm -- I'm not going to say or share what we know about her. Obviously, we have done a lot of work on her.

And, when someone makes an accusation, that accusation has to stand up to the actual physical facts of what happened. First of all, hers will not stand up to the actual physical facts.

Secondly, you pointed out that they need to have no motivation to lie. I believe that the lawyers in this case will be able to show, on cross-examination and on the presentation of evidence, that she did have a motive to lie.

ZAHN: So, you can't clarify for us tonight what you think that motivation is, based on the research you have done in her background?

CHESHIRE: No.

And -- and I wouldn't do that. It would be wrong for me to do that at this point in time. We haven't tried to try this case in the public opinion. We have just said that these boys are not guilty, in response to what the prosecutor has done. But those things will come out in court. And, when the public sees her cross-examination, and sees her answers, and finds out about that motivation, it will prove what we have been saying all along. And that is that no rape happened in that house.


(snip)


599 posted on 04/19/2006 10:57:41 AM PDT by maggief ( ... and YOU know what I'm talkin' about.)
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To: Raycpa
Then you agree that there are holes in the time-line defense, otherwise scenarios are unnecessary.

That doesn't make any sense. Scenarios are used to explain datapoints.

600 posted on 04/19/2006 10:58:22 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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