Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[MindBender26]

Breaking overnight from Chris Cummo at ABC GMA:

Case against at least one Duke defemdant unraveling fast.

Defendant Seiligman went to bank ATM while rape supposedly happening.

12:02 Time stamped photos show girl arriving. Girl leaves, comes back, call friends on cell phone does other things. 12:19 Seiligman calls cab dispatcher 12:24 Seiligman takes cab to bank miles away, uses ATM card (photos show it is him.) 12:42 after walking back to dorm, Seiligman uses security card to enter dorm. Does not leave.

Also, Seiligman was never interviewed by cops. DA seeking reelection simply took "Dancers" word that he raped her.

[Neverforget01]

Might I add though that if in fact he is captured by surveillance camera withdrawing money from an ATM anytime during the period when the alleged rape was taking place then how he got there and why he withdrew cash is totally and utterly irrelevant to merit of the charges

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

[jennyjenny]

I'm saying that yes, he could have been taking money out to do a thousand random things. He could have gone to take the money for her, got a call from one of his buddies saying she was drunk/left so don't bother coming back and so he decided to go home. He could have taken the money out to pay the cab driver. Anything is possible. We don't know why he did it. My point was I don't think it matters why he took money out at all if it proves he wasn't there when she claims he raped her. Do you always struggle this much with reading comprehension?

[Raycpa]

I don't know where they were prior to midnight, but had they been with the accused and raped, why would they still show up for the dance?

Who knows why people do things. The time line defense is designed to make the rape event impossible regardless of who says what. Unless all of the time is accountable the boys could still be back to he-said she-said defense.

[Mad Dawg]

proconcubine quills?

[panthermom]

Here is another timeline posted by ABC11tv

11:02 p.m.: The first picture shows at least 10 students hanging out in a living room, apparently waiting for the dancers to arrive. Most of the students appear to be drinking. By the number of people in this photo, it appears only a fraction of the 47 lacrosse team members are there.

12 a.m.: This is the first picture of the strippers. Students are watching the show, but not grabbing or attempting to touch the women. Bruises are clearly visible on the legs and thighs of the alleged victim.

12:00:40 a.m.: Another picture taken 40 seconds later shows bruises on the accuser's knees. Her right knee appears to have an open cut.

12:03:57 p.m.: About four minutes after arriving, a picture shows the strippers leaving the room. The photo clearly shows that the alleged victim left behind one of her shoes.

Between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m.: No photos were taken between this time.

12:30:12 a.m.: The next photo shows the alleged victim on the back porch, carrying what appears to be her purse and a makeup bag. Her clothes are intact.

12:30:47 a.m.: A photo taken 30 seconds later shows the alleged victim on the porch and she appears to smile.

12:31:26 a.m.: But 30 seconds after that, a photo shows the alleged victim stumbling down the back steps of the house.

12:37:58 a.m.: A series of photos are taken, all showing the woman lying on her left side on the back porch, seemingly passed out or asleep. She had visible cuts on her legs and buttocks that did not appear in the previous photos.

The cuts may be from falling. The cuts on her buttocks line up with the edge of a screen door she may have hit on the way down.

12:41 a.m.: The final photo shows the accuser and the second dancer in a black car. The accuser is in the passengers seat.

Many of the photos taken on the back porch show pink splotches, which the defense says is undried nail polish. They claim the accuser was polishing her nails in the bathroom between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m. - - not being raped.

Notice in this interpretation of the photos it is described that only a FRACTION OF THE TEAM present.

[Quilla]

Unless all of the time is accountable the boys could still be back to he-said she-said defense.

That's true Ray. Yet, the dancer told LEO she arrived at midnight, danced for a short time, and then was raped. Where anyone was prior to midnight would seem moot unless it would explain her bruises that were visible upon arrival.

[Raycpa]

If she said she arrived at the frat house at midnight, it still leaves open the hour before that when the boys were apparently waiting for her. How do we know there wasn't a private showing before hand?

[Prysson]

Nothing will happen to the DA He is protected with legal immunity. Its a totally BS world the whole "justice" system has set up for themselves where noone can be charged, prosecuted sued or in any way punished if it is determined that what they did was in the course of their "job" Never mind that what they did was BS...they cant be touched.

What this DA is doing..he outght to be hung. And I mean that literally. What he is doing is going to ruin these boys lives. Were he to suceed (which I highly doubt) these boys would to prison for no other reason than to further this jag hole's political career. Its purely criminal..but in the end he will just wash his hands of it and nothing will happen to him..these boys lives will be unalterably damaged for all time...but he wont be held remotely accountable.

[Krankor]

When he saw the strippers were black, he wasn't interested in watching the show and left. He was a racist.

[codercpc]

I think that the 2nd 911 call from the security guard (in which she never claimed being assaulted) was at 12:53. (time could be off by a few minutes) Since this is the call that brings the police, which in turn send her to the ER, there is no way the kid could have come back with money and assaulted her.

[yankeedame]

This also makes me wonder about the people on the grand jury.

Doesn't the Good Book say something about "You'll know the tree by the fruit it bares"?

[Master of Orion]

I wonder how the timeline of the calls to the police fit into all this. Some newsreporter also said that the Police station was closer than the shopping mall.

[Alberta's Child]

The grand jury probably didn't see this evidence -- nor did the prosecutor.

A defense attorney has no role in the grand jury proceedings, other than to advise his client whether to testify or to assert his Fifth Amendment rights and refuse to testify.

The irony here is that this interesting development will end up casting serious doubts on the whole case even if the other two defendants are actually guilty as charged -- because the first thing their attorneys are going to ask when the accuser gets on the stand is this: "Isn't it true that you also accused a third person in this crime who wasn't even present when you say the crime was supposedly committed?"

My prediction is that this is going to end up like the Kobe Bryant case, where the accuser will come up with some lame excuse not to testify and the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the charges.

[Rider on the Rain]

i think the woman abused herself with an adult toy before going to the frat house.

That puts a new dimension on rough sex, but it could very well be what happened.

[Old_Mil]

MALICIOUS PROSECUTION, or MALICIOUS ARREST, torts, or remedies. These terms import a wanton prosecution or arrest, made by a prosecutor in a criminal proceeding, or a plaintiff in a civil suit, without probable cause, by a regular process and proceeding, which the facts did not warrant, as appears by the result.

No DNA...a DA facing an election. No eyewitnesses, and victims of questionable character. Maybe these kids will graduate and retire.

[Semper Paratus]

His family is probably already thousands of dollars in debt to their lawyer.

[maggief]

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[Raycpa]

I highly doubt the attorney is owed any money.

[r9etb]

Anybody that knows what she does for a living and the reality of what she does for a living knows that she could have received those injuries any time before 12:00 that evening.

IOW, he's saying the lady is a prostitute, in addition to being a "dancer."

[advance_copy]

she stole the man's car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County. Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report.

The woman stole a car, went on a high speed chase, and then tried to kill a cop by running him over. Four years later, she's a stripper performing at a college party. As they say in Carolina, that ain't right.