Posted on 04/18/2006 1:35:19 PM PDT by gondramB
We have a home warranty and today they assigned a plumber to fix a couple of toilets. There were some complications so we had a long while to talk - it was very eye opening.
The plumber is a polite guy, born and raised in Atlanta as a Baptist about 5 miles from where I grew up. He is a convert to Islam and says he attends the largest mosque in Atlanta.
Some of the things he said just blew me away and I wanted to share. This isn't somebody from a foreign country - he is a native Georgian.
He said (and he was very matter of fact about all this as if none of it would possibly be disputed)
1. There was no way 9/11 was done by Muslims. Bin Laudin always claims responsibility when he does something and he said right away he didn't do it. Everybody at the mosque knows the tapes where he supposedly said he did it were unintelligible and the translation was fake. Nobody at the mosque thinks Muslims could do 9/11. You have to look at who benefitted - we didn't benefit. The people who want war and wire tapping benefitted.
2. The suicide bombers aren't Muslims. Muslims can't kill women. You can kill a child before you can kill a woman. Jihad has to be fought with your chest - out front, not with your side or your back. I don't know who is doing the bombings but everybody at the mosque is sure it isn't Muslims.
3. The President of Iran is saying those things about Israel and the bomb to get President Bush to attack Iran. He (the Iranian president) doesn't care about his life or the lives of Iranians - he cares about the after-life. A world war is coming and the war with Iran will be part of what sets it up - Syria and Pakistan will join the war on Iran's side.
4.There are millions of people ready to die for Islam. They are all peaceful. Islam means peace. But when it clicks that the final war has started they will die for Islam.
5. Ayatollah Khomeni captured the Shah of Iran and castrated him and paraded his head through the streets. (Historical note - the Shah died in Egypt after President Carter's decision to allow him into the United States for treatment triggering the embassy takeover, hostage crisis and the most screwed up rescue operation in U.S. history.)
6. Muslims are peaceful people who just want to live a simple life. But when people stop them from living that life, when people won't leave them alone, they have to fight. They have to jihad.
7. "I just wish we could have one generation of peace for my children to live for a while before it starts."
>>The President of Iran is saying those things about Israel and the bomb to get President Bush to attack Iran. He (the Iranian president) doesn't care about his life or the lives of Iranians - he cares about the after-life.
Correct. He seeks to bring chaos and destruction, to see the return of the 12th imam.<<
Interesting... Several people have picked out that paragraph as being island of accuracy inside the propoganda.
Please visit this site to learn about Christianity:
Maybe he did!......at a Saudi-funded Mahdrasah in Pakistan, just before spending an extra two weeks in an 'Advanced Study-Facility' run by a representative of al Qaeda in the 'Autonomous Region'.
"Please visit this site to know about Islam.
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/"
Thank you. I'll go through it when I get back from work.
"Very interesting thread and discussion."
The experience itself was amazing but its also been good to get Freepers view points - thats why I wanted to share it here.
>>Maybe he did!......at a Saudi-funded Mahdrasah in Pakistan, just before spending an extra two weeks in an 'Advanced Study-Facility' run by a representative of al Qaeda in the 'Autonomous Region'.<<
Its not clear to me how that is different than an American getting training from the Soviet union during the cold war.
time to buy more ammo...
The Koran and its prophet were the forerunners of Nazism. The Koran is to Mohamed and his followers what Mein Kampf and Hitler were to the Nazis.
Having read both thoroughly, I can say with some authority that both works rely on the same formula. HATE. It is easy to control and influence people when you can givie them an object of hate for all of their problems, and thereby offer them a vision of paradise to be achieved when the object of their hate is eliminated.
It has nothing to do with brain-washing. It is simple human psychology. The Koran gives would-be follower plenty of hooks to hang their hate and anxiety upon, and then tells them they are right for doing so, and also right if they destroy what they hate. Same as Mien Kampf.
Ideology and religion operate on faith.
To reform Islam is to destroy its very nature.
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Thanks for the ping. Unfortunately, I have heard similar garbage from otherwise quite 'normal' people in Australia. Conspiracy theories appeal not only to mohammadans.
"It has nothing to do with brain-washing. It is simple human psychology. The Koran gives would-be follower plenty of hooks to hang their hate and anxiety upon, and then tells them they are right for doing so, and also right if they destroy what they hate. Same as Mien Kampf."
Following that theory it would be important to have a steady stream of external enemies or that hate might turn on the leaders.
Letting this guy roam unwatched is asking for trouble down the road!
Halt! Read your own words!...if a man has insane ideas that you recognize, he can't possibly seem normal unless he has fooled you, and you are fooling yourself!
Reason man...reason!
>>If he was my plumber, I'd (1) call the FBI, and (2) get an American to check my pipes.
Letting this guy roam unwatched is asking for trouble down the road!<<
I listened carefully for any kind of overt threat... what would you tell the FBI? And yes, I have decided to change plumbers.
I was asking him about Muslims in the U.S., and he told me that many of the black Muslim converts are PAID to convert and sometimes paid to stay in the religion thereafter. I do not know if that is true, but that is what he said. He scoffed at there being any true American Muslims.
And now we've got Georgia Tech student, American citizen born in Pakistan arrested for terrorism and I've got to wonder if its the same mosque.
>>his family got out of Egypt when they did was because of the craziness in Egypt lately. He doesn't feel that it is safe to live there as a Jew or Christian.<<
Egypt is one of those situations where we are supporting a bad government in hopes they won't be replaced with something even worse....
>> He scoffed at there being any true American Muslims.<<
Somebody else posted in this thread that born Muslims are suspicious of converts. My plumber made the point that native Muslim boys are already used to being isolated from girls and it seemed weird to him how they seemed to have no sex drive.
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